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NASCAR @ Phoenix
by Rovenami Mon Nov 07, 2016 1:41 pm
With Johnson and Edwards locked into the Final Four at Homestead, NASCAR heads into the penultimate race of the season.
Cup Entry List: http://www.jayski.com/news/stats/2016/story/_/page/35-Phoenix-2016-Entry-List
Xfinity Entry List: http://www.jayski.com/news/nxs/2016/story/_/page/32-Phoenix-NXS-2016-Entry-List
Trucks Entry List: http://www.jayski.com/news/campingworld/2016/story/_/page/2016cts22pho-entry
Cup Entry List: http://www.jayski.com/news/stats/2016/story/_/page/35-Phoenix-2016-Entry-List
Xfinity Entry List: http://www.jayski.com/news/nxs/2016/story/_/page/32-Phoenix-NXS-2016-Entry-List
Trucks Entry List: http://www.jayski.com/news/campingworld/2016/story/_/page/2016cts22pho-entry
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by PackerMan71 Mon Nov 07, 2016 5:56 pm
10 bucks says Harvick wins. Calling it now.
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by Rovenami Mon Nov 07, 2016 6:12 pm
Or at the very least in contention to win the race.PackerMan71 wrote:10 bucks says Harvick wins. Calling it now.
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by Rovenami Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:59 pm
Bowman grabbed his first career pole position.
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by f1fan12 Sat Nov 12, 2016 12:22 am
The fact that Byron can win 7 races in a season, and isn't able to go for the championship is laughable. It shows how insane this chase system really is.
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by RetrogradeRenegade Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:04 am
Wasn't this system supposed to encourage wins above all else? Isn't that what Byron was doing all year? What a fucking joke.
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by Memoriesallbutdone Sat Nov 12, 2016 7:17 am
This is going to go down as the year that most people who deserved to win their respective titles, didn't.
William Byron in the trucks.
Harvick (who needs to all but win Phoenix), Keselowski, and Truex in Sprint
Nationwide amazingly seems to have the only ones who are possibly worthy with a "correct" champion between Sadler, Jones or Suarez....however, this is a series I wouldn't mind seeing an upset in the name of Blake Koch....
William Byron in the trucks.
Harvick (who needs to all but win Phoenix), Keselowski, and Truex in Sprint
Nationwide amazingly seems to have the only ones who are possibly worthy with a "correct" champion between Sadler, Jones or Suarez....however, this is a series I wouldn't mind seeing an upset in the name of Blake Koch....
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by RyanB06 Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:04 am
Not to use a baseball reference, but in 2001 the Seattle Mariners won 116 games - tying the MLB record for wins.
They lost in the ALCS to the Yankees.
Point: sometimes the winningest team doesn't win the title.
They lost in the ALCS to the Yankees.
Point: sometimes the winningest team doesn't win the title.
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by PackerMan71 Sat Nov 12, 2016 9:08 am
RyanB06 wrote:Not to use a baseball reference, but in 2001 the Seattle Mariners won 116 games - tying the MLB record for wins.
They lost in the ALCS to the Yankees.
Point: sometimes the winningest team doesn't win the title.
On the flip side, you're comparing baseball, a stick and ball sport, and stock car racing, a motorsport. It's comparing apples to oranges.
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by Rovenami Sat Nov 12, 2016 11:26 am
It's more like Ryan Newman's 2003 Cup Series campaignRyanB06 wrote:Not to use a baseball reference, but in 2001 the Seattle Mariners won 116 games - tying the MLB record for wins.
They lost in the ALCS to the Yankees.
Point: sometimes the winningest team doesn't win the title.
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by Alta Sat Nov 12, 2016 4:44 pm
"Emphasize on winning" turned into "Emphasize on good luck."RetrogradeRenegade wrote:Wasn't this system supposed to encourage wins above all else? Isn't that what Byron was doing all year? What a fucking joke.
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by Ben Atkins Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:42 pm
RyanB06 wrote:Not to use a baseball reference, but in 2001 the Seattle Mariners won 116 games - tying the MLB record for wins.
They lost in the ALCS to the Yankees.
Point: sometimes the winningest team doesn't win the title.
Okay, but Matt Kenseth proved that too in 2003, starting the chase.
Byron has been the best driver in the Truck series without a doubt. The fact he won't get the credit for it in the form of a championship is pathetic.
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by PRAWBLEMS Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:18 pm
No. Newman had tons of DNF's that year. Byron has been consistent and really only had a couple bad races, last night included.Rovenami wrote:It's more like Ryan Newman's 2003 Cup Series campaignRyanB06 wrote:Not to use a baseball reference, but in 2001 the Seattle Mariners won 116 games - tying the MLB record for wins.
They lost in the ALCS to the Yankees.
Point: sometimes the winningest team doesn't win the title.
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by Cynon Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:37 pm
I think as it stands, Sauter would be leading the truck championship entering Homestead with no chase, but Byron should be a contender.
Damn this gimmicky Chase playoff crap is boring.
Damn this gimmicky Chase playoff crap is boring.
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by PackerMan71 Sat Nov 12, 2016 10:49 pm
RyanB06 wrote:Not in this era of "playoffs" it isn't.
Uh, yeah it is. Stick and ball sports has two teams going head-to-head with one another. Stock car racing, NASCAR in particular, has 40 teams on the track at the same time, including the ones not in the "playoff", which means that those teams can negatively affect the outcome of who makes it to the next round and who doesn't.
Apples and oranges.
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by TPGRacing75 Sun Nov 13, 2016 8:41 am
Yeah Cynon, I agree. The chase system is just plain horrible. Does F1 have a playoff? Does Drag Racing? Does the WEC? Does MotoGP? No, but Brian "Braindead" France had to have drama and upsets, and a season HAS to end in a dramatic tooth and nail finale like the 2011 Championship.
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by NASCARLOVER427 Sun Nov 13, 2016 9:19 am
TPGRacing75 wrote:Yeah Cynon, I agree. The chase system is just plain horrible. Does F1 have a playoff? Does Drag Racing? Does the WEC? Does MotoGP? No, but Brian "Braindead" France had to have drama and upsets, and a season HAS to end in a dramatic tooth and nail finale like the 2011 Championship.
NHRA actually does have a playoff system.
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by PYLrulz Sun Nov 13, 2016 6:04 pm
My question is, was Matt Kenesth's spotter asleep?!? 
If I am Alex Bowman though, I would watch my back. No telling Kenesth may throw a fit and blame it all on Bowman
If I am Alex Bowman though, I would watch my back. No telling Kenesth may throw a fit and blame it all on Bowman
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by navycook75 Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:58 am
Regardless of what happened to Bowman, I hope he gets a decent ride next season.
I don't want him to be known as a guy who almost won Phoenix once.
I don't want him to be known as a guy who almost won Phoenix once.
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by bsoyuz Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:20 am
So I'm gonna play devil's advocate and say:
Kyle was going to move Bowman regardless, but Bowman entered turn 1 in a way he wouldn't make it in a million years with or without contact, he spun his wheels in the start and went in too hard for my liking. Kenseth's spotter also played a integral part on ruining his chase. So go Edwards?!
Kyle was going to move Bowman regardless, but Bowman entered turn 1 in a way he wouldn't make it in a million years with or without contact, he spun his wheels in the start and went in too hard for my liking. Kenseth's spotter also played a integral part on ruining his chase. So go Edwards?!
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by Ben Atkins Mon Nov 14, 2016 11:09 am
bsoyuz wrote:So I'm gonna play devil's advocate and say:
Kyle was going to move Bowman regardless, but Bowman entered turn 1 in a way he wouldn't make it in a million years with or without contact, he spun his wheels in the start and went in too hard for my liking. Kenseth's spotter also played a integral part on ruining his chase. So go Edwards?!
Had Bowman took the corner normally, per se, Kenseth would have turned himself anyway.
Bowman was right next to the inside wall to avoid that contact. He did his part and Kenseth's spotter didn't.
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Re: NASCAR @ Phoenix
by RetrogradeRenegade Mon Nov 14, 2016 12:34 pm
Yeah, that was a mistake on Kenseth's spotter's part. Bowman may or may not have made the corner anyway, what with the contact from Busch, but there was no way they weren't gonna hit each other when Kenseth was cleared.
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