Re: 2013 Federated Auto Parts 400 - Sprint Cup Series

by Lucstar88 Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:34 pm

navycook75 wrote:
f1fan12 wrote:and people say there aren't team orders in NASCAR...
There's team orders in every series.

Am I the only one around here who really doesn't care about this whole thing?

also, am I the only one who doesn't care about team orders in general?

More on the first than the second...

by day500champ1 Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:35 pm

Ok, time for my 2 cents (throws 2 pennies).

First, nice job by Edwards from 26th on the grid to the win. Menard, as everyone has already stated, just messed up the start.

Second, Bowyer. If Bowyer did spin out on purpose, here's something to think about. Not only did he help Truex, he helped Logano. Had Logano stayed in 25th. Gordon would've been in by 2 points. Logano gained 3 spots as a result of Bowyer's deal. So Gordon didn't screw up. Logano gained the spots he needed at the end.

Third, Kurt Busch is without a doubt a legitimate threat to win the championship. If that team can run like they did tonight, watch out.

by Lucstar88 Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:37 pm

I FIGURED IT OUT!

Bowyer screws Gordan of the chase because of Gordan screwing Bowyer at Phoenix last year!!!

I'm tired...

by navycook75 Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:39 pm

Lucstar88 wrote:I FIGURED IT OUT!

Bowyer screws Gordan of the chase because of Gordan screwing Bowyer at Phoenix last year!!!

I'm tired...

Have enough tinfoil for the rest of the class?

by **crl** Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:40 pm

navycook75 wrote:
Lucstar88 wrote:I FIGURED IT OUT!

Bowyer screws Gordan of the chase because of Gordan screwing Bowyer at Phoenix last year!!!

I'm tired...
Have enough tinfoil for the rest of the class?

And who's Gordan?

by Chives2112 Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:42 pm

If what did happen was team orders, I'm not really that upset by it. I mainly just used this situation as an excuse for posting that Ghost tinfoil hat picture. Razz

by **Cynon** Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:46 pm

navycook75 wrote:
Lucstar88 wrote:I FIGURED IT OUT!

Bowyer screws Gordan of the chase because of Gordan screwing Bowyer at Phoenix last year!!!

I'm tired...
Have enough tinfoil for the rest of the class?

Bowyer only meant to help Truex out. Screwing Gordon, though, probably makes it sweeter. Very Happy

by vbooy57 Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:47 pm

day500champ1 wrote:Ok, time for my 2 cents (throws 2 pennies).

First, nice job by Edwards from 26th on the grid to the win. Menard, as everyone has already stated, just messed up the start.

Second, Bowyer. If Bowyer did spin out on purpose, here's something to think about. Not only did he help Truex, he helped Logano. Had Logano stayed in 25th. Gordon would've been in by 2 points. Logano gained 3 spots as a result of Bowyer's deal. So Gordon didn't screw up. Logano gained the spots he needed at the end.

Third, Kurt Busch is without a doubt a legitimate threat to win the championship. If that team can run like they did tonight, watch out.

I highly doubt Bowyer spun on purpose, not sure if you were implying it, otherwise I agree. As much as I dislike Kurt, I am beyond impressed with his performance this year.

by day500champ1 Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:53 pm

vbooy57 wrote:
day500champ1 wrote:Ok, time for my 2 cents (throws 2 pennies).

First, nice job by Edwards from 26th on the grid to the win. Menard, as everyone has already stated, just messed up the start.

Second, Bowyer. If Bowyer did spin out on purpose, here's something to think about. Not only did he help Truex, he helped Logano. Had Logano stayed in 25th. Gordon would've been in by 2 points. Logano gained 3 spots as a result of Bowyer's deal. So Gordon didn't screw up. Logano gained the spots he needed at the end.

Third, Kurt Busch is without a doubt a legitimate threat to win the championship. If that team can run like they did tonight, watch out.
I highly doubt Bowyer spun on purpose, not sure if you were implying it, otherwise I agree. As much as I dislike Kurt, I am beyond impressed with his performance this year.

I honestly don't really care if he did it on purpose or not. I was just stating what the caution and late restart did for the race for 10th.

by bigdc48 Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:55 pm

navycook75 wrote:
Lucstar88 wrote:Even if the 99 gets penalised, i think it doesn't do anything to the standings...
He's not, Menard had a shitty start.

This

by Lucstar88 Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:57 pm

navycook75 wrote:
Lucstar88 wrote:I FIGURED IT OUT!

Bowyer screws Gordan of the chase because of Gordan screwing Bowyer at Phoenix last year!!!

I'm tired...
Have enough tinfoil for the rest of the class?

Yup, here you go.

by Lucstar88 Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:00 am

crl wrote:
navycook75 wrote:
Lucstar88 wrote:I FIGURED IT OUT!

Bowyer screws Gordan of the chase because of Gordan screwing Bowyer at Phoenix last year!!!

I'm tired...
Have enough tinfoil for the rest of the class?
And who's Gordan?

lol, that's what happends when you use a IPod at 1am...

by navycook75 Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:01 am

Cynon wrote:
navycook75 wrote:
Lucstar88 wrote:I FIGURED IT OUT!

Bowyer screws Gordan of the chase because of Gordan screwing Bowyer at Phoenix last year!!!

I'm tired...
Have enough tinfoil for the rest of the class?
Bowyer only meant to help Truex out. Screwing Gordon, though, probably makes it sweeter.

As funny as it may be, I don't think he meant to screw over Gordon, but he did try to help out Truex without a doubt.

Besides, I'd rather want Bowyer and Truex in the chase than Gordon, Bowyer has the chance to win the championship with no wins and Truex is showing the talent he has had in 2007 and 2008. Gordon on the other hand is on the downswing of his career.

by Rykia Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:03 am

Bowyer had said his car was handling bad, and it was kinda showing. He had fallen back quite a bit since earlier in that run, and there is no way in hell he would have known Truex woulda made it in based on him spinning. I guess it's possible, but I would argue against it.

Onto the restart thing, it was a mistake by Nascar. Menard, from what I saw, didn't spin the tires. No, he didn't get a great restart, but he didn't really mess up either. From my POV. On the other hand, he was horrible through one and two, and probably would have lost the lead anyway, had Carl not already had him cleared at the line. I think the 99 would have won anyways.

Now going into the Chase. Who do I think are the favorites? Right now, I would say there is no favorite. Edwards has momentum on his side, but I don't see him as someone who can step it up and win races when needed, mostly because the Fords have seemed to be a little down on power compared to the rest. Johnson has to have the worst momentum right now, but we all know how he is. I'm waiting to see how the Gibbs duo, Bowyer, Kahne, and Kurt perform at Chicago, and of course you can never count out Jimmie.

by navycook75 Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:05 am

Lucstar88 wrote:
navycook75 wrote:
Lucstar88 wrote:I FIGURED IT OUT!

Bowyer screws Gordan of the chase because of Gordan screwing Bowyer at Phoenix last year!!!

I'm tired...
Have enough tinfoil for the rest of the class?
Yup, here you go.

Who said I wanted it?

by Lucstar88 Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:07 am

navycook75 wrote:
Lucstar88 wrote:
navycook75 wrote:
Lucstar88 wrote:I FIGURED IT OUT!

Bowyer screws Gordan of the chase because of Gordan screwing Bowyer at Phoenix last year!!!

I'm tired...
Have enough tinfoil for the rest of the class?
Yup, here you go.
Who said I wanted it?

Fine, i'll take it back, hope you get your mind read by the Dark Ones...

by pennst24 Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:12 am

Gordon and Keselowski don't make it, Logano does

Rt if u crie evrytim

by PYLrulz Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:31 am

Just saw the replay on TV. If NASCAR doesn't do anything to MWR, then I suggest any team do whatever they please, because THAT was an intentional spin.

by Cardinals5 Sun Sep 08, 2013 12:50 am

I like how Brad Daugherty was saying how Michael Waltrip Racing wouldn't risk their integrity on an intentional spin.

Yeah, I'm sure integrity means a ton to Team Jet Fuel...

by Cardinals5 Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:06 am

Lucstar88 wrote:
navycook75 wrote:
Lucstar88 wrote:
navycook75 wrote:
Lucstar88 wrote:I FIGURED IT OUT!

Bowyer screws Gordan of the chase because of Gordan screwing Bowyer at Phoenix last year!!!

I'm tired...
Have enough tinfoil for the rest of the class?
Yup, here you go.
Who said I wanted it?
Fine, i'll take it back, hope you get your mind read by the Dark Ones...

2013 Federated Auto Parts 400 - Sprint Cup Series - Page 2 No9man

by PackerMan71 Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:10 am

Needless to say, there's a ton of people that are pissed at NASCAR right now.

by f1fan12 Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:12 am

Cardinals5 wrote:I like how Brad Daugherty was saying how Michael Waltrip Racing wouldn't risk their integrity on an intentional spin.

Yeah, I'm sure integrity means a ton to Team Jet Fuel...

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by Alta Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:13 am

PYLrulz wrote:Just saw the replay on TV. If NASCAR doesn't do anything to MWR, then I suggest any team do whatever they please, because THAT was an intentional spin.

Because self-spins never happen. NOPE NOT AT ALL!

by navycook75 Sun Sep 08, 2013 1:29 am

PackerMan71 wrote:Needless to say, there's a ton of people that are pissed at NASCAR right now.

Meanwhile in the land of next week...

by Cardinals5 Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:12 am

Alta wrote:
PYLrulz wrote:Just saw the replay on TV. If NASCAR doesn't do anything to MWR, then I suggest any team do whatever they please, because THAT was an intentional spin.
Because self-spins never happen. NOPE NOT AT ALL!

Are you trolling or are you intentionally not seeing what's blatantly obvious?

Everything about what MWR/Bowyer did, from the radio transmissions, to the 15 mysteriously losing 2 laps despite no damage and the 55 driving the final green flag run 40mph slower than everyone else, was done in order to ensure that Truex got into the chase, at the expense of Ryan Newman and Jeff Gordon. Bowyer and Vickers losing those spots bumped Logano high enough ahead to bump Gordon to 11th, ensuring Joey wouldn't take the Wild Card.

It was blatant. It was deliberate. And it worked.

by Alta Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:28 am

Cardinals5 wrote:
Alta wrote:
PYLrulz wrote:Just saw the replay on TV. If NASCAR doesn't do anything to MWR, then I suggest any team do whatever they please, because THAT was an intentional spin.
Because self-spins never happen. NOPE NOT AT ALL!
Are you trolling or are you intentionally not seeing what's blatantly obvious?

Everything about what MWR/Bowyer did, from the radio transmissions, to the 15 mysteriously losing 2 laps despite no damage and the 55 driving the final green flag run 40mph slower than everyone else, was done in order to ensure that Truex got into the chase, at the expense of Ryan Newman and Jeff Gordon. Bowyer and Vickers losing those spots bumped Logano high enough ahead to bump Gordon to 11th, ensuring Joey wouldn't take the Wild Card.

It was blatant. It was deliberate. And it worked.

I'm entirely convinced it was an innocent self-spin that caused the caution to come out at a bad time, I don't think they take a chance with a screwjob if there was the possibility Truex would screw up which could of happened twice in this case.

You all can take the tinfoil hats off.

by RetrogradeRenegade Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:44 am

day500champ1 wrote:Third, Kurt Busch is without a doubt a legitimate threat to win the championship. If that team can run like they did tonight, watch out.

I agree. That team has been awesome the last 7 or 8 weeks, and Busch has been arguably the best driver in the series. If they don't get a bad break, they could well surprise everyone.

by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:58 am

You guys are stealing my rigged gimmick. Stop it.

I loved the fact that Gordon got knocked out the Chase by Joey FUCKING Logano. And who cares if Newman lost a Chase spot. He would of finished 12th anyway. Now my attention goes from Ambrose to Harvick.

by Mother of Invention Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:41 am

RetrogradeRenegade wrote:
day500champ1 wrote:Third, Kurt Busch is without a doubt a legitimate threat to win the championship. If that team can run like they did tonight, watch out.
I agree. That team has been awesome the last 7 or 8 weeks, and Busch has been arguably the best driver in the series. If they don't get a bad break, they could well surprise everyone.

Kurts fine, but I really think the #78 car is gonna break on him a least once during the next ten races...... Crying or Very sad

by Mother of Invention Sun Sep 08, 2013 10:00 am

Cardinals5 wrote:
Alta wrote:
PYLrulz wrote:Just saw the replay on TV. If NASCAR doesn't do anything to MWR, then I suggest any team do whatever they please, because THAT was an intentional spin.
Because self-spins never happen. NOPE NOT AT ALL!
Are you trolling or are you intentionally not seeing what's blatantly obvious?

Everything about what MWR/Bowyer did, from the radio transmissions, to the 15 mysteriously losing 2 laps despite no damage and the 55 driving the final green flag run 40mph slower than everyone else, was done in order to ensure that Truex got into the chase, at the expense of Ryan Newman and Jeff Gordon. Bowyer and Vickers losing those spots bumped Logano high enough ahead to bump Gordon to 11th, ensuring Joey wouldn't take the Wild Card.

It was blatant. It was deliberate. And it worked.

Why though? The chances of that backfiring are massively greater then it succeeding

by RealRacer4 Sun Sep 08, 2013 11:43 am

Cardinals5 wrote:I like how Brad Daugherty was saying how Michael Waltrip Racing wouldn't risk their integrity on an intentional spin.

Yeah, I'm sure integrity means a ton to Team Jet Fuel...

*Slow clap*

by navycook75 Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:24 pm

I never knew a selfspin could cause this much chaos.

so over/under on how many days until people are over this?

by Lucstar88 Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:41 pm

navycook75 wrote:I never knew a selfspin could cause this much chaos.

so over/under on how many days until people are over this?

Yup, i'll say until Chicago...

by PackerMan71 Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:51 pm

I'm just wondering when you all are gonna stop acting like jerks toward one another. Seriously, just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you have to act like a smartass towards them.

Just saying. Neutral

by pennst24 Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:56 pm

navycook75 wrote:I never knew a selfspin could cause this much chaos.

so over/under on how many days until people are over this?

Radio conversations from Vickers' team and Bowyer making an uncharacteristic mistake along with Waltrip's and Bowyer's odd answers pretty much prove that it was more than just a selfspin. They definitely did it on purpose but everything is said and done and the past can't be changed. Being a Gordon fan, I felt much worse for Newman who was gonna drive his way into the Chase with a great drive. NASCAR won't do anything, and they probably shouldn't, but it was intentional.

by bigdc48 Sun Sep 08, 2013 2:59 pm

PackerMan71 wrote:I'm just wondering when you all are gonna stop acting like jerks toward one another. Seriously, just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you have to act like a smartass towards them.

Just saying.

+1

by Memoriesallbutdone Sun Sep 08, 2013 3:13 pm

This is the only thing I will post about this race cause I have no stake in the outcome.

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/nascar-investigating-bowyer-spin-richmond-20193839

by JMac525 Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:08 pm

bigdc48 wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:I'm just wondering when you all are gonna stop acting like jerks toward one another. Seriously, just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you have to act like a smartass towards them.

Just saying.
+1

+2

by BWard Sun Sep 08, 2013 4:15 pm

I've got an idea, lets move on.

by **Cynon** Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:39 pm

Alta, grow up for a change.

PackerMan71 wrote:I'm just wondering when you all are gonna stop acting like jerks toward one another. Seriously, just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you have to act like a smartass towards them.

Just saying.

Same people every time, why is it a shock? Neutral

by Alta Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:42 pm

Cynon wrote:Alta, grow up for a change.

All i implied was people need to cool down. That's all.

It's not as evil as everyone thinks.

by gone-sovereign Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:47 pm

I'm not going to go out and make up conspiracy theories for tonight, I just want to say:

Clint Bowyer for buzzkill of the weekend.

I do feel bad for Newman and Gordon though. At least we get free Bloomin' Onions tomorrow.

by Lucstar88 Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:53 pm

kensethfan wrote:I'm not going to go out and make up conspiracy theories for tonight, I just want to say:

Clint Bowyer for buzzkill of the weekend.

I do feel bad for Newman and Gordon though. At least we get free Bloomin' Onions tomorrow.

And Quicken Loans make a morgage payment for 5 lucky people

by PackerMan71 Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:00 pm

Cynon wrote:Alta, grow up for a change.

PackerMan71 wrote:I'm just wondering when you all are gonna stop acting like jerks toward one another. Seriously, just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you have to act like a smartass towards them.

Just saying.
Same people every time, why is it a shock?

I'm just sick of seeing everyone jump on everyone because they don't agree with each other's opinions. Granted, there are times when I don't agree with someone's opinion, but I respond with facts rather than personal attacks.

by **Cynon** Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:09 pm

PackerMan71 wrote:
Cynon wrote:Alta, grow up for a change.

PackerMan71 wrote:I'm just wondering when you all are gonna stop acting like jerks toward one another. Seriously, just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you have to act like a smartass towards them.

Just saying.
Same people every time, why is it a shock?
I'm just sick of seeing everyone jump on everyone because they don't agree with each other's opinions. Granted, there are times when I don't agree with someone's opinion, but I respond with facts rather than personal attacks.

That's just me, though.

I'm sharing in your misery, Packer. It's just the same people every time and it's really tiring.

I commend the people earlier in this thread that responded to those in with good humor, really, I do.

by Electric Wolf Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:13 pm

navycook75 wrote:I never knew a selfspin could cause this much chaos.

so over/under on how many days until people are over this?

I say two to three weeks.

And about the "Team Jet Fuel" comment, you're referencing something that happened over 6 years ago.

by PackerMan71 Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:16 pm

Cynon wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
Cynon wrote:Alta, grow up for a change.

PackerMan71 wrote:I'm just wondering when you all are gonna stop acting like jerks toward one another. Seriously, just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you have to act like a smartass towards them.

Just saying.
Same people every time, why is it a shock?
I'm just sick of seeing everyone jump on everyone because they don't agree with each other's opinions. Granted, there are times when I don't agree with someone's opinion, but I respond with facts rather than personal attacks.

That's just me, though.
I'm sharing in your misery, Packer. It's just the same people every time and it's really tiring.

I commend the people earlier in this thread that responded to those in with good humor, really, I do.

Misery loves company, I suppose. Laughing

Honestly, on the whole Bowyer deal, I think that both sides have a valid argument. It's entirely possible that it was just a silly selfspin, but on the other hand, it's also possible that the spin was deliberate, due to the radio transmissions and the fact that it helped Truex get in the Chase.

Will NASCAR do anything about it? Probably not.

by **Cynon** Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:25 pm

See, my whole thinking on MWR telling Bowyer to spin to help Truex goes thusly. If there was no yellow, Truex had no chance of making it into the Chase. Yes, even if you bring out a yellow, there's still a really good chance he won't make it in, but at least MWR gave themselves a chance to get Truex in. They took a huge roll of the dice and got lucky.

If you're a team owner, and your options are having only one car in the Chase, or taking a risk to get two in, which would you pick? For me, that's an easy decision, the consequences be damned.

by **crl** Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:39 pm

kensethfan wrote:I'm not going to go out and make up conspiracy theories for tonight, I just want to say:

Clint Bowyer for buzzkill of the weekend.

I do feel bad for Newman and Gordon though. At least we get free Bloomin' Onions tomorrow.

>Outback Steakhouse. Amirite Nelson?

by SpeedDemon37 Sun Sep 08, 2013 9:12 pm

crl wrote:I am just so pissed. Logano was OUT, not just out of the Top 10, but OUT period. Now, I gotta listen to ESPN slurping him some more for the next 10 weeks. Ugh.

^ this

In addition, Keselowski's out. The only things I have to look forward to for the next 2 months are the Nationwide and Truck championship battles, ones that have been fairly close in recent years despite not having a pointless points reset!!!

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