2013 Federated Auto Parts 400 - Sprint Cup Series

Cynon wrote:So wait a second, NASCAR punishes MWR based off of what they got from Vickers (who did not spin), not from what they got from Bowyer (who did affect the finish more than Vickers)?

I listened to Vickers' in-car audio, and it was no different than Bowyer's... if NASCAR couldn't interpret Bowyer's spin and radio chatter as enough evidence, then that's not a good sign. Granted, NASCAR did let Menard and Gordon get away with their respective championship-affecting antics, yet Toyota driver Kyle Busch got hammered for doing the same thing Jeff Gordon did in Trucks.

It's the right call to make, but based off the wrong evidence.

The difference in what Gordon did and what Busch did is the fact that Gordon was fighting for the same title as Bowyer, but Busch was not fighting for the same title as Ron Hornaday.

flyingturns89 wrote:

Cynon wrote:So wait a second, NASCAR punishes MWR based off of what they got from Vickers (who did not spin), not from what they got from Bowyer (who did affect the finish more than Vickers)?

I listened to Vickers' in-car audio, and it was no different than Bowyer's... if NASCAR couldn't interpret Bowyer's spin and radio chatter as enough evidence, then that's not a good sign. Granted, NASCAR did let Menard and Gordon get away with their respective championship-affecting antics, yet Toyota driver Kyle Busch got hammered for doing the same thing Jeff Gordon did in Trucks.

It's the right call to make, but based off the wrong evidence.

The difference in what Gordon did and what Busch did is the fact that Gordon was fighting for the same title as Bowyer, but Busch was not fighting for the same title as Ron Hornaday.

Gordon was out of the hunt by far at that time-frame while Bowyer with a Keselowski slip-up could've stole the title.

NASCAR's penalty thing is the dumbest crap they've done in a long time. Truex, the only MWR driver who WASNT involved, gets screwed out of the chase, whereas Bowyer goes unpunished? If the MWR cars go out of their way to ruin the chase for Newman, I wont have any problem with it. Something tells me the radio chatter wasn't real either. What's next, the #56 has to start the race 1 lap down?

Pyrozooka0 wrote:NASCAR's penalty thing is the dumbest crap they've done in a long time. Truex, the only MWR driver who WASNT involved, gets screwed out of the chase, whereas Bowyer goes unpunished? If the MWR cars go out of their way to ruin the chase for Newman, I wont have any problem with it. Something tells me the radio chatter wasn't real either. What's next, the #56 has to start the race 1 lap down?

May I ask how it wasn't real from your standpoint?

Pyrozooka0 wrote:NASCAR's penalty thing is the dumbest crap they've done in a long time. Truex, the only MWR driver who WASNT involved, gets screwed out of the chase, whereas Bowyer goes unpunished? If the MWR cars go out of their way to ruin the chase for Newman, I wont have any problem with it. Something tells me the radio chatter wasn't real either. What's next, the #56 has to start the race 1 lap down?

The radio chatter wasn't real? What the hell? How the hell can you suddenly make up radio transmissions?

Pyrozooka0 wrote:NASCAR's penalty thing is the dumbest crap they've done in a long time. Truex, the only MWR driver who WASNT involved, gets screwed out of the chase, whereas Bowyer goes unpunished? If the MWR cars go out of their way to ruin the chase for Newman, I wont have any problem with it. Something tells me the radio chatter wasn't real either. What's next, the #56 has to start the race 1 lap down?

I think you need an extra pairs of ears to listen more carefully, either that or your really that dumb and stupid.

Pyrozooka0 wrote:NASCAR's penalty thing is the dumbest crap they've done in a long time. Truex, the only MWR driver who WASNT involved, gets screwed out of the chase, whereas Bowyer goes unpunished? If the MWR cars go out of their way to ruin the chase for Newman, I wont have any problem with it. Something tells me the radio chatter wasn't real either. What's next, the #56 has to start the race 1 lap down?

Ladies and Gentlemen.

Pyrozooka.

Pyrozooka0 wrote:NASCAR's penalty thing is the dumbest crap they've done in a long time. Truex, the only MWR driver who WASNT involved, gets screwed out of the chase, whereas Bowyer goes unpunished? If the MWR cars go out of their way to ruin the chase for Newman, I wont have any problem with it. Something tells me the radio chatter wasn't real either. What's next, the #56 has to start the race 1 lap down?

You should be a stand up comedian, this was funny to read.

no seriously.

In case you guys didn't get this straight:

Deserved Penalty: Michael Waltrip Racing at Richmond
Didn't Deserve Penalty: Scott Dixon at Sonoma

Oh kids, stop. -.-

Pyrozooka0 wrote:NASCAR's penalty thing is the dumbest crap they've done in a long time. Truex, the only MWR driver who WASNT involved, gets screwed out of the chase, whereas Bowyer goes unpunished? If the MWR cars go out of their way to ruin the chase for Newman, I wont have any problem with it. Something tells me the radio chatter wasn't real either. What's next, the #56 has to start the race 1 lap down?

So what drugs do you take on a daily basis?

Pyrozooka0 wrote:NASCAR's penalty thing is the dumbest crap they've done in a long time. Truex, the only MWR driver who WASNT involved, gets screwed out of the chase, whereas Bowyer goes unpunished? If the MWR cars go out of their way to ruin the chase for Newman, I wont have any problem with it. Something tells me the radio chatter wasn't real either. What's next, the #56 has to start the race 1 lap down?

I actually LOL'd when you said that. You want a medal?

Also, this was pretty much Clint Bowyer's interview on SC earlier today in a nutshell:

Pyrozooka0 wrote:NASCAR's penalty thing is the dumbest crap they've done in a long time. Truex, the only MWR driver who WASNT involved, gets screwed out of the chase, whereas Bowyer goes unpunished? If the MWR cars go out of their way to ruin the chase for Newman, I wont have any problem with it. Something tells me the radio chatter wasn't real either. What's next, the #56 has to start the race 1 lap down?

My take on this: To be quite frank, I didn't even think NASCAR would do a damn thing about this whole deal, and they brought the sky down on MWR. I would say, based on the evidence we've seen and heard, the penalties were more than justified. I like Truex, but them's the breaks. Now, Bowyer didn't go "unpunished" per se, but the points penalty was kind of worthless, due to the fact that he was going to start at the bottom of the standings anyway due to the fact that he has no wins. Taking points away before the Chase when he's already locked in is kind of moot.

Would the MWR cars go after Newman to ruin his Chase? I seriously doubt it, mainly because I don't think they'd stoop that low, and they're already in hot water with NASCAR, so retaliation would just make things worse for them.

Also, the radio chatter is very much real. NASCAR monitors all the channels, keeping an eye and ear out for anything that might sound fishy, such as what happened Saturday night. I don't think NASCAR would make the 56 team start a race a lap down, but this is NASCAR we're talking about, so I wouldn't exactly put it past them.  

PackerMan71 wrote:I'm just wondering when you all are gonna stop acting like jerks toward one another. Seriously, just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you have to act like a smartass towards them.

Just saying.

I'm quoting my own post, because I've seen how some of you have replied to Pyrozooka's post, and quite frankly, it makes me sick.

Cynon wrote:Oh kids, stop. -.-

Why, after this post from an admin, were there two more posts ridiculing Pyrozooka? Packer's post was legitimate, but the other two were really unneeded.

PackerMan71 wrote:

PackerMan71 wrote:I'm just wondering when you all are gonna stop acting like jerks toward one another. Seriously, just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you have to act like a smartass towards them.

Just saying.

I'm quoting my own post, because I've seen how some of you have replied to Pyrozooka's post, and quite frankly, it makes me sick.

I definitely agree with you. There are people here (some of which are staff) that act like children.

PackerMan71 wrote:

PackerMan71 wrote:I'm just wondering when you all are gonna stop acting like jerks toward one another. Seriously, just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you have to act like a smartass towards them.

Just saying.

I'm quoting my own post, because I've seen how some of you have replied to Pyrozooka's post, and quite frankly, it makes me sick.

Exactly, I don't understand why there's at least 7 people that needed to gang up on him by being smartarses. There was also another topic (I believe the Chicagoland thread) where the EXACT same thing happened. This is a community, not a place to gang up on people whenever he doesn't say something you believe in or says something that isn't necessarily smart.

I might say some stupid things on TS, but I'm being serious when I say this.

vbooy57 wrote:

PackerMan71 wrote:

PackerMan71 wrote:I'm just wondering when you all are gonna stop acting like jerks toward one another. Seriously, just because you don't agree with someone's opinion doesn't mean you have to act like a smartass towards them.

Just saying.

I'm quoting my own post, because I've seen how some of you have replied to Pyrozooka's post, and quite frankly, it makes me sick.

I definitely agree with you. There are people here (some of which are staff) that act like children.

That's fine. I showed a lot of people the door. For awhile.

It's The Neverending Story: NASCAR Edition.

Ben Atkins wrote:@NASCARONFOX: #NASCAR probing @joeylogano & @DavidGilliland after @RIRInsider» http://t.co/duUVEk5vJxExclusive details on #RaceHub at 4:30p @FOXSports1


As if this couldn't get any crazier... 

So the way I see it, if this is true, the either Logano will get a Chase penalty or he will get a pre-Chase penalty, knocking Newman out and Gordon in.

Rykia_RKXK wrote:

Ben Atkins wrote:@NASCARONFOX: #NASCAR probing @joeylogano & @DavidGilliland after @RIRInsider» http://t.co/duUVEk5vJxExclusive details on #RaceHub at 4:30p @FOXSports1


As if this couldn't get any crazier... 

So the way I see it, if this is true, the either Logano will get a Chase penalty or he will get a pre-Chase penalty, knocking Newman out and Gordon in.

I can't imagine why they're going after Logano...was there something that we missed in the whole MWR thing?

Cardinals5 wrote:

Rykia_RKXK wrote:

Ben Atkins wrote:@NASCARONFOX: #NASCAR probing @joeylogano & @DavidGilliland after @RIRInsider» http://t.co/duUVEk5vJxExclusive details on #RaceHub at 4:30p @FOXSports1


As if this couldn't get any crazier... 

So the way I see it, if this is true, the either Logano will get a Chase penalty or he will get a pre-Chase penalty, knocking Newman out and Gordon in.

I can't imagine why they're going after Logano...was there something that we missed in the whole MWR thing?

Conspiring with the 38 team to let them by before restart i believe.

Alta wrote:

Cardinals5 wrote:

Rykia_RKXK wrote:

Ben Atkins wrote:@NASCARONFOX: #NASCAR probing @joeylogano & @DavidGilliland after @RIRInsider» http://t.co/duUVEk5vJxExclusive details on #RaceHub at 4:30p @FOXSports1


As if this couldn't get any crazier... 

So the way I see it, if this is true, the either Logano will get a Chase penalty or he will get a pre-Chase penalty, knocking Newman out and Gordon in.

I can't imagine why they're going after Logano...was there something that we missed in the whole MWR thing?

Conspiring with the 38 team to let them by before restart i believe.

This is what it's simply becoming with NASCAR for me now...

Alta wrote:

Cardinals5 wrote:

Rykia_RKXK wrote:

Ben Atkins wrote:@NASCARONFOX: #NASCAR probing @joeylogano & @DavidGilliland after @RIRInsider» http://t.co/duUVEk5vJxExclusive details on #RaceHub at 4:30p @FOXSports1


As if this couldn't get any crazier... 

So the way I see it, if this is true, the either Logano will get a Chase penalty or he will get a pre-Chase penalty, knocking Newman out and Gordon in.

I can't imagine why they're going after Logano...was there something that we missed in the whole MWR thing?

Conspiring with the 38 team to let them by before restart i believe.

It's just the media blowing everything up. "NASCAR is aware of reports about the #22 and #38 radio communications at Richmond International Raceway and is looking into it, but has yet to see anything in full context that requires any action." There shouldn't be any action regardless.

vbooy57 wrote:

Alta wrote:

Cardinals5 wrote:

Rykia_RKXK wrote:

Ben Atkins wrote:@NASCARONFOX: #NASCAR probing @joeylogano & @DavidGilliland after @RIRInsider» http://t.co/duUVEk5vJxExclusive details on #RaceHub at 4:30p @FOXSports1


As if this couldn't get any crazier... 

So the way I see it, if this is true, the either Logano will get a Chase penalty or he will get a pre-Chase penalty, knocking Newman out and Gordon in.

I can't imagine why they're going after Logano...was there something that we missed in the whole MWR thing?

Conspiring with the 38 team to let them by before restart i believe.

It's just the media blowing everything up. "NASCAR is aware of reports about the #22 and #38 radio communications at Richmond International Raceway and is looking into it, but has yet to see anything in full context that requires any action." There shouldn't be any action regardless.

I think they might have to do something on principal alone.

Alta wrote:

vbooy57 wrote:

Alta wrote:

Cardinals5 wrote:

Rykia_RKXK wrote:

Ben Atkins wrote:@NASCARONFOX: #NASCAR probing @joeylogano & @DavidGilliland after @RIRInsider» http://t.co/duUVEk5vJxExclusive details on #RaceHub at 4:30p @FOXSports1


As if this couldn't get any crazier... 

So the way I see it, if this is true, the either Logano will get a Chase penalty or he will get a pre-Chase penalty, knocking Newman out and Gordon in.

I can't imagine why they're going after Logano...was there something that we missed in the whole MWR thing?

Conspiring with the 38 team to let them by before restart i believe.

It's just the media blowing everything up. "NASCAR is aware of reports about the #22 and #38 radio communications at Richmond International Raceway and is looking into it, but has yet to see anything in full context that requires any action." There shouldn't be any action regardless.

I think they might have to do something on principal alone.

Yeah, I'd have to agree. Especially if there's damning evidence from the 38 radio (like I've been reading in some articles).

Alta wrote:

Cardinals5 wrote:

Rykia_RKXK wrote:

Ben Atkins wrote:@NASCARONFOX: #NASCAR probing @joeylogano & @DavidGilliland after @RIRInsider» http://t.co/duUVEk5vJxExclusive details on #RaceHub at 4:30p @FOXSports1


As if this couldn't get any crazier... 

So the way I see it, if this is true, the either Logano will get a Chase penalty or he will get a pre-Chase penalty, knocking Newman out and Gordon in.

I can't imagine why they're going after Logano...was there something that we missed in the whole MWR thing?

Conspiring with the 38 team to let them by before restart i believe.

Teams do that all the time on restarts, and at superspeedways... and if you don't believe there are team orders at superspeedways, Roush, Ford, and Jeff Gordon would all like a word with you...

...see what kind of a mess the Waltrip penalty could leave NASCAR in?

Cynon wrote:

Alta wrote:

Cardinals5 wrote:

Rykia_RKXK wrote:

Ben Atkins wrote:@NASCARONFOX: #NASCAR probing @joeylogano & @DavidGilliland after @RIRInsider» http://t.co/duUVEk5vJxExclusive details on #RaceHub at 4:30p @FOXSports1


As if this couldn't get any crazier... 

So the way I see it, if this is true, the either Logano will get a Chase penalty or he will get a pre-Chase penalty, knocking Newman out and Gordon in.

I can't imagine why they're going after Logano...was there something that we missed in the whole MWR thing?

Conspiring with the 38 team to let them by before restart i believe.

Teams do that all the time on restarts, and at superspeedways... and if you don't believe there are team orders at superspeedways, Roush, Ford, and Jeff Gordon would all like a word with you...

...see what kind of a mess the Waltrip penalty could leave NASCAR in?

With the announcement of a potential Logano penalty, Nascar officially can't come out of this good. If they don't penalize Logano, They get accused of letting Logano off the hook/not being consistent/Playing favorites and if they Logano a penalty they get accused of playing favorites with Gordon/Hendrick,

Cynon wrote:

Alta wrote:

Cardinals5 wrote:

Rykia_RKXK wrote:

Ben Atkins wrote:@NASCARONFOX: #NASCAR probing @joeylogano & @DavidGilliland after @RIRInsider» http://t.co/duUVEk5vJxExclusive details on #RaceHub at 4:30p @FOXSports1


As if this couldn't get any crazier... 

So the way I see it, if this is true, the either Logano will get a Chase penalty or he will get a pre-Chase penalty, knocking Newman out and Gordon in.

I can't imagine why they're going after Logano...was there something that we missed in the whole MWR thing?

Conspiring with the 38 team to let them by before restart i believe.

Teams do that all the time on restarts, and at superspeedways... and if you don't believe there are team orders at superspeedways, Roush, Ford, and Jeff Gordon would all like a word with you...

...see what kind of a mess the Waltrip penalty could leave NASCAR in?

A mess? More like a steaming pile of horseshit.

Alta wrote:

Cynon wrote:

Alta wrote:

Cardinals5 wrote:

Rykia_RKXK wrote:

Ben Atkins wrote:@NASCARONFOX: #NASCAR probing @joeylogano & @DavidGilliland after @RIRInsider» http://t.co/duUVEk5vJxExclusive details on #RaceHub at 4:30p @FOXSports1


As if this couldn't get any crazier... 

So the way I see it, if this is true, the either Logano will get a Chase penalty or he will get a pre-Chase penalty, knocking Newman out and Gordon in.

I can't imagine why they're going after Logano...was there something that we missed in the whole MWR thing?

Conspiring with the 38 team to let them by before restart i believe.

Teams do that all the time on restarts, and at superspeedways... and if you don't believe there are team orders at superspeedways, Roush, Ford, and Jeff Gordon would all like a word with you...

...see what kind of a mess the Waltrip penalty could leave NASCAR in?

With the announcement of a potential Logano penalty, Nascar officially can't come out of this good. If they don't penalize Logano, They get accused of letting Logano off the hook/not being consistent/Playing favorites and if they Logano a penalty they get accused of playing favorites with Gordon/Hendrick,

Jimmie probably did the same thing helping Gordon getting the lucky dog, yet No One calls him out on it.

So what would the penalty be? Gilliland being put back in front of Logano? Because that does nothing.

It should be nothing, because that's what this entire Logano/Gilliland episode is.

It won't be, because the Gordon/Hendrick fanbois can't shut up and accept the fact that Gordo missed the setup at Richmond and wants to be gifted a Chase spot he didn't deserve.

Lucstar88 wrote:

Alta wrote:

Cynon wrote:

Alta wrote:

Cardinals5 wrote:

Rykia_RKXK wrote:

Ben Atkins wrote:@NASCARONFOX: #NASCAR probing @joeylogano & @DavidGilliland after @RIRInsider» http://t.co/duUVEk5vJxExclusive details on #RaceHub at 4:30p @FOXSports1


As if this couldn't get any crazier... 

So the way I see it, if this is true, the either Logano will get a Chase penalty or he will get a pre-Chase penalty, knocking Newman out and Gordon in.

I can't imagine why they're going after Logano...was there something that we missed in the whole MWR thing?

Conspiring with the 38 team to let them by before restart i believe.

Teams do that all the time on restarts, and at superspeedways... and if you don't believe there are team orders at superspeedways, Roush, Ford, and Jeff Gordon would all like a word with you...

...see what kind of a mess the Waltrip penalty could leave NASCAR in?

With the announcement of a potential Logano penalty, Nascar officially can't come out of this good. If they don't penalize Logano, They get accused of letting Logano off the hook/not being consistent/Playing favorites and if they Logano a penalty they get accused of playing favorites with Gordon/Hendrick,

Jimmie probably did the same thing helping Gordon getting the lucky dog, yet No One calls him out on it.

Didn't Jimmie crash WHILE Gordon was in the pits? If you're going to crash deliberately to help your teammate, doing it while he's about to pit is an awfully strange choice.

Or am I thinking of a different crash?

Cardinals5 wrote:

Lucstar88 wrote:

Alta wrote:

Cynon wrote:

Alta wrote:

Cardinals5 wrote:

Rykia_RKXK wrote:

Ben Atkins wrote:@NASCARONFOX: #NASCAR probing @joeylogano & @DavidGilliland after @RIRInsider» http://t.co/duUVEk5vJxExclusive details on #RaceHub at 4:30p @FOXSports1


As if this couldn't get any crazier... 

So the way I see it, if this is true, the either Logano will get a Chase penalty or he will get a pre-Chase penalty, knocking Newman out and Gordon in.

I can't imagine why they're going after Logano...was there something that we missed in the whole MWR thing?

Conspiring with the 38 team to let them by before restart i believe.

Teams do that all the time on restarts, and at superspeedways... and if you don't believe there are team orders at superspeedways, Roush, Ford, and Jeff Gordon would all like a word with you...

...see what kind of a mess the Waltrip penalty could leave NASCAR in?

With the announcement of a potential Logano penalty, Nascar officially can't come out of this good. If they don't penalize Logano, They get accused of letting Logano off the hook/not being consistent/Playing favorites and if they Logano a penalty they get accused of playing favorites with Gordon/Hendrick,

Jimmie probably did the same thing helping Gordon getting the lucky dog, yet No One calls him out on it.

Didn't Jimmie crash WHILE Gordon was in the pits? If you're going to crash deliberately to help your teammate, doing it while he's about to pit is an awfully strange choice.

Or am I thinking of a different crash?

It actually helped Jeff more than hurt him, i saw a article TSN explaining this situation

UPDATE 2: Thursday morning release from NASCAR: "NASCAR is continuing to gather all the facts from last Saturday nights NASCAR Sprint Cup Series event at Richmond International Raceway. NASCAR will have no further comment until all the facts have been examined. "(NASCAR)(9-12-2013)

As somebody who still considers themselves a fan of Jeff Gordon, I honestly think either way, Gordon should not be in the Chase. He's had a terrible year, and while I may not like Logano at all, I have to admit he's stepped his game up this year, and he deserves to be in the Chase more than Gordon does.

Well I had a good time at the race

Hearing Gordon is in the Chase now? Good. Now those dumbass fanboys will finally shut the hell up.

I've already voiced my opinion on Newman, but I don't know about Gordon. For all the time I've been a racing fan, Jeff Gordon has been one of the most respected guys in the sport (yes, even after Phoenix), and as such, I like him. But for what it's worth, he shouldn't really be in the Chase. The Bowyer spin was one thing, but the fact of the matter is this: he could've been in the Chase, but he wasn't. And I don't see why intentionally letting someone by even for something like the Chase is such a big deal either. It was one pass that decided the points, and it could've been on anyone. That, and passing is such a regular thing in NASCAR, the only reason that it should've been such a big deal is if it's Formula One we're talking about. *coughFerarricough*

Okay, what the hell did I miss while I was dealing with ANSYS? Gordon's in the Chase now? And it's a 13 driver field?

What the hell? I'm so confused

So NASCAR decided to put Gordon in the Chase as well?


Here's a link to the story...

Sparkz47 wrote:

YOU GET A CHASE SPOT!

AND YOU GET A CHASE SPOT!

EVERYONE GETS A CHASE SPOT!

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Sparkz47 wrote:

YOU GET A CHASE SPOT!

AND YOU GET A CHASE SPOT!

EVERYONE GETS A CHASE SPOT!

Mother of God.... i'm done...