Re: 2014 Formula One World Championship - The teams and drivers of next season

by Milan655 Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:53 pm

Mine which includes the completed manoeuvres-
Caterham:
1. Charles Pic
2. Alexander Rossi

Ferrari:
1. Fernando Alonso (Potentiality he moves to McLaren)
2. Kimi Raikkonen

Force India:
1. Kevin Magnussen
2. Adrian Sutil

Lotus:
1. Romain Grosjean
2. Nico Hulkenberg (Move is finally set to happen!)

Marussia:
1. Jules Bianchi
2. Vitaly Petrov

McLaren:
1. Jenson Button
2. Sergio Perez

Mercedes:
1. Lewis Hamilton
2. Nico Rosberg

Red Bull:
1. Sebastian Vettel
2. Daniel Ricciardo

Sauber:
1. Sergey Sirotkin
2. Esteban Gutierrez

Toro Rosso:
1. Jean Eric Vergne
2. Daniil Kvyat

Williams Team Wrecking Ball:
1. Johnny Cecotto
2. Sergio Canamasas

by **Ben Atkins** Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:09 pm

Red Bull - 1 Ben Atkins
Red Bull - 2 JASON PLATO
Mercedes - 3 Jimmie Johnson
Mercedes - 4 Jeff Gordon
Ferrari - 5 MICHAEL SCHUMACHER!!!
Ferrari - 6 RALF SCHUMACHER!!!
Lotus - 7 Daniel Leckliter
Lotus - 8 Chris Wetz
McLaren - 9 BARNEY WARD
McLaren - 10 Narain Karthikeyan
Force India - 11 dolan duk
Force India - 12 Casey Lester because he asked
Sauber - 14 Sebastian Saavedra
Sauber - 15 Danica Patrick
Toro Rosso - 16 Graham Rahal
Toro Rosso - 17 Tony Stewart
Williams - 18 David Stremme
Williams - 19 Frank Wrathall
Caterham - 20 Matt Neal
Caterham - 21 Tyler Haney
Marussia - 22 Lewis Hamilton
Marussia - 23 Sebastian Vettel
USGP - 24 Kyle Busch
USGP - 25 Nick Phillip AAAAAAAAAAAAAH THE RICER

and yes I'm being serious...

by Metro 6r4 Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:15 pm

How about the extra grid slot that should still be open with the demise of the US F1 team gets filled by a team.

by Milan655 Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:11 pm

Metro 6r4 wrote:How about the extra grid slot that should still be open with the demise of the US F1 team gets filled by a team.

And the HRT spot. 28 cars, that would be... Drool

by Electric Wolf Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:59 pm

26, I think.

by Milan655 Sat Nov 09, 2013 8:28 am

Casey Lester wrote:26, I think.

by pennst24 Sat Nov 09, 2013 9:18 am

On one hand I'd like to see manufacturers like Toyota and BMW back but then I remembered they underperformed like hell (especially Toyota, BMW at least had Kubica).

by Milan655 Mon Nov 11, 2013 10:48 am

Williams have confirmed their driver line-up with Massa and Bottas. Maldonado will therefore not return to Formula 1 next year.

by BWard Mon Nov 11, 2013 1:16 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24903504

Kevin Magnussen will replace Sergio Perez at McLaren next year.

by **Cynon** Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:10 pm

Milan655 wrote:Williams have confirmed their driver line-up with Massa and Bottas. Maldonado will therefore not return to Formula 1 next year.

As much as I like Massa... he needs to hang it up...

BWardboy88 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24903504

Kevin Magnussen will replace Sergio Perez at McLaren next year.

I'm both happy for Magnussen and sad for Perez. Not sure how to feel about that news. Granted, with McLaren having two development drivers on the way to F1 fast, (the other being Stoffel Vandoorne), Perez was never going to last at McLaren.

by PYLrulz Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:13 pm

Yeah, McLaren provides a shit car, and it's Sergio's fault. Please -_-

by Milan655 Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:35 pm

PYLrulz wrote:Yeah, McLaren provides a shit car, and it's Sergio's fault. Please -_-

Maybe Sergio deserved another season in the car, but to be honest this year he has been very disappointing. There have been instances where Perez showed quality and skill, yet across the season he was really badly outperformed by Button. 35 points vs 60 points is a big difference.

I must admit though that I am both surprised and unsurprised. Magnussen is undoubtedly is pure quality, yet I would have thought TelMex would have been a great sponsor for McLaren to utilise now that they are without Vodafone sponsorship heading into 2014. A bit of money could give a chance to recuperate from their worse car in over 15 years. As far as I am aware, only Tag Heuer and Bestseller sponsor him of which neither quite compare to TelMex Neutral

by Alta Mon Nov 11, 2013 7:43 pm

Really sucks for Sergio...But i guess someone has to take the fall for McLaren sucking this season. :/

by Alpineopossum Mon Nov 11, 2013 8:40 pm

Red Bull - 1 = Sebastian Vettel
Red Bull - 2 = Daniel Riccardo
Mercedes - 3 = Lewis Hamilton
Mercedes - 4 = Nico Rosberg
Ferrari - 5 = Fernando Alonso
Ferrari - 6 = Kimi Raikkonen
Lotus - 7 = Nico Hulkenburg or Pastor Maldanado or ???
Lotus - 8 = Roman Grosjean
McLaren - 9 = Jenson Button
McLaren - 10 = Kevin Magnuson (R)
Force India - 11 = Paul di Resta or ???
Force India - 12 = Adrian Sutil or ???
Sauber - 14 - Sergey Sirotkin (R)
Sauber - 15 - Esteben Gutirriez or ???
Toro Rosso - 16 - Jean-Eric Vergne
Toro Rosso - 17 - Daniil Kyaat (R)
Williams - 18 - Felipe Massa
Williams - 19 - Valterri Bottas
Marussia - 20 - Jules Bianchi
Marussia - 21 - Max Chilton or Luiz Razia or Rodolfo Gonzalez or ???
Caterham - 22 - Charles Pic
Caterham - 23 - Giedo van der Garde or Alexander Rossi or ???
There are few open spots remaining. Lotus has an open spot to replace Raikkonen and supposedly Hulkenburg is in the frame for that. Force India could have two open seats and Sauber has one, but Sauber needs a pay driver. Caterham and Marussia require pay drivers as well. One has to wonder if Sergio Perez will land somewhere.

by BWard Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:49 pm

Maybe not related to the Entries of teams and drivers, but F1-related anyway.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111262

Teams voicing concerns about 'ugly' cars possibly coming to 2014.

by Metro 6r4 Tue Nov 12, 2013 2:59 pm

BWardboy88 wrote: Teams voicing concerns about 'ugly' cars possibly coming to 2014.

They've been ugly since 2009 and I wasn't a big fan of the cars from the mid 2000's as well. How could they possibly make them look any uglier?!

by RetrogradeRenegade Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:16 pm

PYLrulz wrote:Yeah, McLaren provides a shit car, and it's Sergio's fault. Please -_-

Alta wrote:Really sucks for Sergio...But i guess someone has to take the fall for McLaren sucking this season. :/

So, because McLaren made a crap car, they should have to stick with a driver who now clearly does not have a world championship in him?

by f1fan12 Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:50 pm

They have been ugly ever since they did away with cars that look like this...

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by Alta Tue Nov 12, 2013 4:17 pm

RetrogradeRenegade wrote:
PYLrulz wrote:Yeah, McLaren provides a shit car, and it's Sergio's fault. Please -_-
Alta wrote:Really sucks for Sergio...But i guess someone has to take the fall for McLaren sucking this season. :/
So, because McLaren made a crap car, they should have to stick with a driver who now clearly does not have a world championship in him?

At the same time it shouldn't mean they sack a guy who never got a fair shot. Button has been as anonymous as Sergio has this season.

by Milan655 Tue Nov 12, 2013 5:35 pm

f1fan12 wrote:They have been ugly ever since they did away with cars that look like this...

Agreed. Excluding Jordan, they're always awesome.

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by RetrogradeRenegade Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:23 pm

Alta wrote:
RetrogradeRenegade wrote:
PYLrulz wrote:Yeah, McLaren provides a shit car, and it's Sergio's fault. Please -_-
Alta wrote:Really sucks for Sergio...But i guess someone has to take the fall for McLaren sucking this season. :/
So, because McLaren made a crap car, they should have to stick with a driver who now clearly does not have a world championship in him?
At the same time it shouldn't mean they sack a guy who never got a fair shot. Button has been as anonymous as Sergio has this season.

Not really. He could've beaten both Mercedes to third back in Malaysia, and has outscored Perez 60-35. Perez had a fair shot to prove himself against Button, and we all know Button is not the best driver on the grid, especially when the car is not perfectly suited to him.

by Alta Tue Nov 12, 2013 7:50 pm

RetrogradeRenegade wrote:
Alta wrote:
RetrogradeRenegade wrote:
PYLrulz wrote:Yeah, McLaren provides a shit car, and it's Sergio's fault. Please -_-
Alta wrote:Really sucks for Sergio...But i guess someone has to take the fall for McLaren sucking this season. :/
So, because McLaren made a crap car, they should have to stick with a driver who now clearly does not have a world championship in him?
At the same time it shouldn't mean they sack a guy who never got a fair shot. Button has been as anonymous as Sergio has this season.
Not really. He could've beaten both Mercedes to third back in Malaysia, and has outscored Perez 60-35. Perez had a fair shot to prove himself against Button, and we all know Button is not the best driver on the grid, especially when the car is not perfectly suited to him.

I don't think one season is enough to gauge it in McLaren's case. Sure Perez hasn't scored as much as Button but he hasn't been that far off him.

by RetrogradeRenegade Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:19 am

Alta wrote:
RetrogradeRenegade wrote:
Alta wrote:
RetrogradeRenegade wrote:
PYLrulz wrote:Yeah, McLaren provides a shit car, and it's Sergio's fault. Please -_-
Alta wrote:Really sucks for Sergio...But i guess someone has to take the fall for McLaren sucking this season. :/
So, because McLaren made a crap car, they should have to stick with a driver who now clearly does not have a world championship in him?
At the same time it shouldn't mean they sack a guy who never got a fair shot. Button has been as anonymous as Sergio has this season.
Not really. He could've beaten both Mercedes to third back in Malaysia, and has outscored Perez 60-35. Perez had a fair shot to prove himself against Button, and we all know Button is not the best driver on the grid, especially when the car is not perfectly suited to him.
I don't think one season is enough to gauge it in McLaren's case. Sure Perez hasn't scored as much as Button but he hasn't been that far off him.

Which is my point. If Perez can't beat Button now, then he sure as hell isn't going to win a world title. And if he can't win a title, what's the point of keeping him around?

by Milan655 Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:55 am

Heikki Kovalainen set to replace Raikkonen for the rest of 2013.

by RetrogradeRenegade Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:02 pm

Milan655 wrote:Heikki Kovalainen set to replace Raikkonen for the rest of 2013.

WHAT.

Not that I feel bad for Davide Valsecchi or anything, but this is kinda completely out of left field... Shocked

It'll be nice to see Heikki back in a decent car though.

by navycook75 Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:38 pm

RetrogradeRenegade wrote:
Milan655 wrote:Heikki Kovalainen set to replace Raikkonen for the rest of 2013.
WHAT.

Not that I feel bad for Davide Valsecchi or anything, but this is kinda completely out of left field...

It'll be nice to see Heikki back in a decent car though.

I think Lotus would of been like Nemo.

one Finn short.

so they put Heikki in the car.

by BWard Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:47 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25038825

Caterham F1 are considering signing Swedish novice driver Marcus Ericsson for next season.

by Milan655 Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:14 pm

BWardboy88 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25038825

Caterham F1 are considering signing Swedish novice driver Marcus Ericsson for next season.

Don't agree with this, capable yes but not overly talented..could easily choose one of their academy drivers, especially Will Stevens or Alexander Rossi.

by RetrogradeRenegade Thu Nov 21, 2013 10:55 pm

Milan655 wrote:
BWardboy88 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25038825

Caterham F1 are considering signing Swedish novice driver Marcus Ericsson for next season.
Don't agree with this, capable yes but not overly talented..could easily choose one of their academy drivers, especially Will Stevens or Alexander Rossi.

... which happens to cover both Stevens and Rossi. At least, for the moment - Stevens might improve with another year. Though I can't see Rossi ever getting any better.

by Milan655 Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:25 pm

Not sure where this can be put seeing as likelihood is small and chance it happens is in several years: http://plus.autosport.com/premium/feature/5725/threecar-teams-back-on-f1-agenda/

Required purchase of the article to see it fully, unfortunately, but it suggests that 8 top teams can enter 3 cars with the possibility of the third car being run by a privateer, i.e. Toro Rosso #3 run by Giancarlo Minardi. Idea has been suggested by Ferrari across 3 years now since 2011, so nothing new, and therefore unlikely to see it but I think I would like to see this.

by Alta Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:32 pm

Milan655 wrote:Not sure where this can be put seeing as likelihood is small and chance it happens is in several years: http://plus.autosport.com/premium/feature/5725/threecar-teams-back-on-f1-agenda/

Required purchase of the article to see it fully, unfortunately, but it suggests that 8 top teams can enter 3 cars with the possibility of the third car being run by a privateer, i.e. Toro Rosso #3 run by Giancarlo Minardi. Idea has been suggested by Ferrari across 3 years now since 2011, so nothing new, and therefore unlikely to see it but I think I would like to see this.

Same here. It would be really interesting to see.

by f1fan12 Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:56 pm

Milan655 wrote:Not sure where this can be put seeing as likelihood is small and chance it happens is in several years: http://plus.autosport.com/premium/feature/5725/threecar-teams-back-on-f1-agenda/

Required purchase of the article to see it fully, unfortunately, but it suggests that 8 top teams can enter 3 cars with the possibility of the third car being run by a privateer, i.e. Toro Rosso #3 run by Giancarlo Minardi. Idea has been suggested by Ferrari across 3 years now since 2011, so nothing new, and therefore unlikely to see it but I think I would like to see this.

What? This idea is insane. Not sure if I like it.

by Metro 6r4 Fri Nov 22, 2013 6:39 pm

Milan655 wrote:Not sure where this can be put seeing as likelihood is small and chance it happens is in several years: http://plus.autosport.com/premium/feature/5725/threecar-teams-back-on-f1-agenda/

Required purchase of the article to see it fully, unfortunately, but it suggests that 8 top teams can enter 3 cars with the possibility of the third car being run by a privateer, i.e. Toro Rosso #3 run by Giancarlo Minardi. Idea has been suggested by Ferrari across 3 years now since 2011, so nothing new, and therefore unlikely to see it but I think I would like to see this.

I would prefer it if we saw drivers/teams buying machinery from the established teams and running themselves separately, like some of the entries that would occur in the 70's where you could buy a Shadow F1 car for example and run it privately at some/all of the events. It could certainly cause some upset's if drivers with talent who have been tossed aside by people with money to prove something. Or it could create an independents trophy similar to that of the BTCC.

by Alpineopossum Sat Nov 23, 2013 9:07 am

I would say that a team could run its third car a set amount of races, such as 3-5 times a year. You could see everything from runs in F1 equiptment for development drivers to one off appearances from drivers in other series to chances for series veterans turned test drivers (like Badoer, Fisichella, de la Rosa, and Kovaloinen) to show what they can do.

by BWard Fri Nov 29, 2013 12:48 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/25157499

It's official, Maldonado to Lotus for 2014.

by bsoyuz Fri Nov 29, 2013 1:08 pm

BWardboy88 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/25157499

It's official, Maldonado to Lotus for 2014.

Since I'm not that big F1 follower , was sort of surprise seeing Massa on Williams (I'd rather prefer Lotus), Maldonado on Lotus is also a surprise.

by Alta Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:21 pm

BWardboy88 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/25157499

It's official, Maldonado to Lotus for 2014.

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by Backmarker Fri Nov 29, 2013 3:55 pm

Oh no.

by Milan655 Fri Nov 29, 2013 4:00 pm

Grosjean, in all fairness, is no longer the idiot who has accidents any more.

by RealRacer4 Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:36 pm

BWardboy88 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/25157499

It's official, Maldonado to Lotus for 2014.

Lotus having Maldonado on board for next season will be their karma for treating Kimi like crap.

by **crl** Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:49 am

BWardboy88 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/25157499

It's official, Maldonado to Lotus for 2014.

LOL at this one comment:

Disappointed with the news about Sutil/Di Resta.

Di Resta has done well at Force India, meanwhile Sutil has a criminal record.

Sutil should be the one leaving F1.

Despite the fact that Sutil was the one who led briefly in Australia while the team was hoping for rain so they could implement a tire strategy that could've possibly won them the race if it had succeeded? Or despite the fact that Sutil was passing cars left and right at Monaco while di Resta couldn't?

Damn di Resta apologists. He's an above average version of Liuzzi. Barely.

Lost in that story is the fact that it seems Sirotkin won't have a seat at Sauber next year, like originally thought?

by navycook75 Sat Nov 30, 2013 4:52 am

RealRacer4 wrote:
BWardboy88 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/25157499

It's official, Maldonado to Lotus for 2014.
Lotus having Maldonado on board for next season will be their karma for treating Kimi like crap.

I still think Taki Inoue should have that seat.

by RetrogradeRenegade Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:26 am

crl wrote:
BWardboy88 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/25157499

It's official, Maldonado to Lotus for 2014.
LOL at this one comment:

Disappointed with the news about Sutil/Di Resta.

Di Resta has done well at Force India, meanwhile Sutil has a criminal record.

Sutil should be the one leaving F1.

Despite the fact that Sutil was the one who led briefly in Australia while the team was hoping for rain so they could implement a tire strategy that could've possibly won them the race if it had succeeded? Or despite the fact that Sutil was passing cars left and right at Monaco while di Resta couldn't?

Damn di Resta apologists. He's an above average version of Liuzzi. Barely.

Lost in that story is the fact that it seems Sirotkin won't have a seat at Sauber next year, like originally thought?

Errr, last time I checked, di Resta outscored Sutil 48-29. Either way, I'm hoping they both get the boot in favour of Hulkenberg and Perez, which would be a much better and more interesting pairing.

by tommykl Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:12 am

RetrogradeRenegade wrote:
crl wrote:
BWardboy88 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/25157499

It's official, Maldonado to Lotus for 2014.
LOL at this one comment:

Disappointed with the news about Sutil/Di Resta.

Di Resta has done well at Force India, meanwhile Sutil has a criminal record.

Sutil should be the one leaving F1.

Despite the fact that Sutil was the one who led briefly in Australia while the team was hoping for rain so they could implement a tire strategy that could've possibly won them the race if it had succeeded? Or despite the fact that Sutil was passing cars left and right at Monaco while di Resta couldn't?

Damn di Resta apologists. He's an above average version of Liuzzi. Barely.

Lost in that story is the fact that it seems Sirotkin won't have a seat at Sauber next year, like originally thought?
Errr, last time I checked, di Resta outscored Sutil 48-29. Either way, I'm hoping they both get the boot in favour of Hulkenberg and Perez, which would be a much better and more interesting pairing.

While it's true that di Resta scored more points than Sutil, I'm inclined to say that Sutil was the better performer this season. While di Resta crashed quite a few times, Sutil (mostly) kept his nose clean, and early on in the season, when the Force India was competitive, Sutil lost four opportunities for solid points due to no fault of his own (Malaysia with a loose wheel nut, China when Gutiérrez decided he had ARCA brakes, Bahrain where he was slower than di Resta but got caught up in a first lap accident and was stuck behind Hülkenberg all race (so that one's admittedly debatable) and Spain where I believe he had an extremely slow pitstop). Had Force India remained competitive the whole year, Sutil would probably have beaten di Resta.

by BWard Tue Dec 03, 2013 11:03 am

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25205390

Nico Hulkenberg wil rejoin Force India for the 2014 Season.

by Electric Wolf Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:24 pm

BWardboy88 wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25205390

Nico Hulkenberg wil rejoin Force India for the 2014 Season.

I has a disappoint.

by Milan655 Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:57 pm

The rumour was that Ferrari paid Sauber's wage bill for Nico Hulkenberg to stop him driving for Lotus in the final 2 races of this year instead of Kovalainen. Although one point may be that they wanted to make sure Lotus could not gain enough points, perhaps there was also the idea that Alonso may leave at the end of the upcoming season and they could bring him in to replace the Spaniard. This was reported by an Italian blog however, so the source is very dubious.

by RetrogradeRenegade Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:02 pm

Milan655 wrote:The rumour was that Ferrari paid Sauber's wage bill for Nico Hulkenberg to stop him driving for Lotus in the final 2 races of this year instead of Kovalainen. Although one point may be that they wanted to make sure Lotus could not gain enough points, perhaps there was also the idea that Alonso may leave at the end of the upcoming season and they could bring him in to replace the Spaniard. This was reported by an Italian blog however, so the source is very dubious.

Especially considering Hulkenberg has already stated that it was his decision not to race for Lotus.

by Milan655 Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:36 pm

RetrogradeRenegade wrote:
Milan655 wrote:The rumour was that Ferrari paid Sauber's wage bill for Nico Hulkenberg to stop him driving for Lotus in the final 2 races of this year instead of Kovalainen. Although one point may be that they wanted to make sure Lotus could not gain enough points, perhaps there was also the idea that Alonso may leave at the end of the upcoming season and they could bring him in to replace the Spaniard. This was reported by an Italian blog however, so the source is very dubious.
Especially considering Hulkenberg has already stated that it was his decision not to race for Lotus.

Ah, yes, this is true but why would a driver openly admit something like this? It's not something a driver would do under these circumstances, something they would cover up.

by flyingturns89 Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:52 am

The F1 race in New Jersey is officially off for next year, as are Mexico and Korea. The only other changes are that Japan and Russia have switched spots, and Abu Dhabi will be the last race of the season.

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