The most overrated driver

Who do you think is the most overrated driver?


My opinions

Adrian Sutil- Has zero personality, plus I really don't see why everyone thinks he is good, I think Paul Di Resta is twice as good as Sutil.

Jaques Villneuve- He won the 1997 title because his car was good, other than that, poor deccision making and poor attidue made him an enemy

Joey Lagano- He was overrated before he ever got to cup

Paul Tracy- Probably the dirtiest racer I have ever seen, he won all of his title by striking fear in other racers due to his very very poor decison making.

Your suggestions

Jimmie Johnson

Dale junior!

conrail1990 wrote:Dale junior!

This! This! A million times this!

Also, Danica Patrick. She and Jr. are basically a package deal with this kind of stuff.

DAEL URNHARDT GRRR!

By. Far. Dale. Earnhardt. Jr.

Dale Jr, but not as overrated as many would think. The guy has 18 wins, you just don't luck into 18 wins at the Cup level. I've said it many times before, I think the guy has a big mental hurdle to clear before anything.

Joey Logano I think is more overrated than Jr., just because everybody has made him out to be a superstar, when he is nothing more than a decent driver who might contend for a win or two, but thats about it.

Joey Logano - Hyped to be the next superstar, and he's the next garbage driver who doesn't belong with a big team.

RRRRMMMMNNNN GGGGRRRRSSSJJJJNNNN

Current driver? Kyle Busch. everyone seems to think he's the next or current big thing, and he does pretty well, but every time there's actually something important on the line, like a championship, he cracks like glass. he's going to go down in history as the driver with the most wins that has never won a championship

recently retired driver? Kyle Petty. He was out Junioring Junior before Junior was even in nascar

Joey Logano and Danica Patrick.

'Nuff said.

Mystrsyko wrote:Current driver? Kyle Busch. everyone seems to think he's the next or current big thing, and he does pretty well, but every time there's actually something important on the line, like a championship, he cracks like glass. he's going to go down in history as the driver with the most wins that has never won a championship

recently retired driver? Kyle Petty. He was out Junioring Junior before Junior was even in nascar

I was thinking about Petty, but I was thinking along the lines of active drivers.

Kyle Busch isn't very overrated, he just needs an attitude adjustment. Once that is taken care of, the rest will fall into place, and he could become a super-dominant driver.

Nigel Mansell. Oh brother. I may get a lot of flak for this but the only reason Nige did so well at Williams was the sheer favoritism he was given. Also serves true for his 1993 CART campaigb. I dont know why so many people worship this guy because quite frankly has one of the most pompous personalities in motorsports. When he had it well at Williams in 87', he complained about the bad year since the team was stuck with the Judd engine. Alright, but at least Frank was giving just about damn near everything you wanted. Then Enzo gives you a ride at Ferrari. You fail to put up the results and bitch up a storm because you aren't top dog. You had the car Nige. So you come back to Williams only if you get top treatment. There you dominate in 92' but still, I never saw him on the same level as Senna. He just had only the best Renault engine and Frank Williams giving him all the attention and filling his ego. If that wasn't enough, apparently thrashing the F1 grid wasn't enough so he turned to CART in hopes of owning the likes of Andretti, Fittipaldi and Unser Jr. He does well in 93 but only because he became CART's teacher pet. When things don't go according to plan in 1994, he wears out his welcome by crying a Nile River full of shit and jumps ship back to Williams. In 95' he can't fit in the car nonetheless run decently. In short, his results are result of given the entire effort of the team. When forced to prove himself, he failed and made up excuses.

DANICA and URNHART JEWNER!!!!!1

pepsibottle1 wrote:Nigel Mansell. Oh brother. I may get a lot of flak for this but the only reason Nige did so well at Williams was the sheer favoritism he was given. Also serves true for his 1993 CART campaigb. I dont know why so many people worship this guy because quite frankly has one of the most pompous personalities in motorsports. When he had it well at Williams in 87', he complained about the bad year since the team was stuck with the Judd engine. Alright, but at least Frank was giving just about damn near everything you wanted. Then Enzo gives you a ride at Ferrari. You fail to put up the results and bitch up a storm because you aren't top dog. You had the car Nige. So you come back to Williams only if you get top treatment. There you dominate in 92' but still, I never saw him on the same level as Senna. He just had only the best Renault engine and Frank Williams giving him all the attention and filling his ego. If that wasn't enough, apparently thrashing the F1 grid wasn't enough so he turned to CART in hopes of owning the likes of Andretti, Fittipaldi and Unser Jr. He does well in 93 but only because he became CART's teacher pet. When things don't go according to plan in 1994, he wears out his welcome by crying a Nile River full of shit and jumps ship back to Williams. In 95' he can't fit in the car nonetheless run decently. In short, his results are result of given the entire effort of the team. When forced to prove himself, he failed and made up excuses.

Yes!! I have to agree with you. The only thing I liked about him was his overtaking skills.



^This is pretty much legitimate proof as to how bad it was when it came to getting what he wanted. All the advantages Mansell had in '92 F1 season was just outrageous.

And the reason I say Jimmie Johnson is overrated is how people rank him as one of the all-time greats by how he won 5 straight championships. To compare JJ, who had more chances/help with the chase format, to someone like Dale Sr., Jeff Gordon, Cale Yarborough, or whoever it is, who won the championships straight up, is just stupid. Never, in a million years, will I consider him a championship driver, as he's proven that him and Chad Knaus are hacks and JJ himself has shown that he can be a prick at times.

Dale Earnhardt Jr and Joey Logano...

Jimmie Johnson

Why does everyone say Johnsons overrated, no one is providing reasons.

f1fan12 wrote:Why does everyone say Johnsons overrated, no one is providing reasons.

Probably because of the popular belief that the points system had more to do with him winning championships than his talent.

To start my post; MICHAEL WALTRIP.

pepsibottle1 wrote:Nigel Mansell. Oh brother. I may get a lot of flak for this but the only reason Nige did so well at Williams was the sheer favoritism he was given. Also serves true for his 1993 CART campaigb. I dont know why so many people worship this guy because quite frankly has one of the most pompous personalities in motorsports. When he had it well at Williams in 87', he complained about the bad year since the team was stuck with the Judd engine. Alright, but at least Frank was giving just about damn near everything you wanted. Then Enzo gives you a ride at Ferrari. You fail to put up the results and bitch up a storm because you aren't top dog. You had the car Nige. So you come back to Williams only if you get top treatment. There you dominate in 92' but still, I never saw him on the same level as Senna. He just had only the best Renault engine and Frank Williams giving him all the attention and filling his ego. If that wasn't enough, apparently thrashing the F1 grid wasn't enough so he turned to CART in hopes of owning the likes of Andretti, Fittipaldi and Unser Jr. He does well in 93 but only because he became CART's teacher pet. When things don't go according to plan in 1994, he wears out his welcome by crying a Nile River full of shit and jumps ship back to Williams. In 95' he can't fit in the car nonetheless run decently. In short, his results are result of given the entire effort of the team. When forced to prove himself, he failed and made up excuses.

Pretty much exactly what I was going to say.

I'd include Kyle Busch, Jimmie Johnson (may be good, but not anything close to being legendary), Dale Earnhardt, Jr., Kyle Petty, Elton Sawyer, DanicaDanicaDanica, Graham Rahal, (as much as it pains me) Cristiano da Matta.

Elton Sawyer? explain that one Cooper.

Mother of Invention wrote:Elton Sawyer? explain that one Cooper.

I'm a bit curious on that one as well. The man hasn't raced full-time since 2001.

I heard that Michael Waltrip is a huge ass when he's not on camera.

Chives2112 wrote:I heard that Michael Waltrip is a huge ass when he's not on camera.

Nothing different then when he is on it.

Chives2112 wrote:I heard that Michael Waltrip is a huge ass when he's not on camera.

at least he's not shaking it....I'm still scarred for life after seeing that....

Mother of Invention wrote:Elton Sawyer? explain that one Cooper.

Factory Ford driver in the Busch series. Not much success.

Cynon wrote:

Mother of Invention wrote:Elton Sawyer? explain that one Cooper.

Factory Ford driver in the Busch series. Not much success.

Anything else?

Slept with Patty Moise.

Paul di Resta - expected to succeed in Formula 1 because of his DTM success and because he beat Vettel in F3. Frankly, he only had two good runs this year: Hungary and Singapore, while Sutil had Monaco, Germany, Belgium and Brazil. Sutil scored 15 more points and ended four spots ahead.

Bruno Senna - the Dayl Jewnyer of Formula 1.

Pretty much most of the people that everyone else has said I agree with. I've never seen Elton Sawyer run a race, except for some fail Busch/Nationwide Daytona race in 1999 that people on ISRA TS were talking about. I don't see how Romain Grosjean is overrated when barely anyone knows him? Jimmie Johnson is not one of the top 5 drivers in NASCAR history because of his inability to win a championship while racing 36 races. Joey Logano was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread, guess what, he's wasting space in good equipment for someone who deserves it. Dale Jr only cares about iRacing these days, Nigel Mansell was a spoilt baby. Kyle Busch is overrated because ESPN loves his great old records in Nationwide that even Kyle himself doesn't really give 2 craps about lol. Danica Patrick won a indycar race only on fuel mileage. Paul Tracy was a fast driver, he was just a massive douchebag to a lot of people, especially Dario when they were teammates and Bourdais. Michael Waltrip only won 3 races in 766 races, now that stat is nothing but sad to be honest.

the most overrated drivers are probably Dale Jr and Lewis Hamilton

Gonna have to disagree with Kyle Petty too, unless we're talking about his early career.

RealRacer4 wrote:

Cynon wrote:

Mother of Invention wrote:Elton Sawyer? explain that one Cooper.

Factory Ford driver in the Busch series. Not much success.

Anything else?

I would have expected that he would have done more than what he did. He certainly wasn't crap by any stretch of the word, just underwhelming. Kevin Cogan falls under this same category.

Jimmie Johnson by far. He's a good driver, but no where near the top of all time. How many times did he self spin this year? I can remember 5 noobish spins off a corner while "overrated" drivers like Logano and JRRRRR kept it on track.

bartman97 wrote:Pretty much most of the people that everyone else has said I agree with. I've never seen Elton Sawyer run a race, except for some fail Busch/Nationwide Daytona race in 1999 that people on ISRA TS were talking about. I don't see how Romain Grosjean is overrated when barely anyone knows him? Jimmie Johnson is not one of the top 5 drivers in NASCAR history because of his inability to win a championship while racing 36 races. Joey Logano was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread, guess what, he's wasting space in good equipment for someone who deserves it. Dale Jr only cares about iRacing these days, Nigel Mansell was a spoilt baby. Kyle Busch is overrated because ESPN loves his great old records in Nationwide that even Kyle himself doesn't really give 2 craps about lol. Danica Patrick won a indycar race only on fuel mileage. Paul Tracy was a fast driver, he was just a massive douchebag to a lot of people, especially Dario when they were teammates and Bourdais. Michael Waltrip only won 3 races in 766 races, now that stat is nothing but sad to be honest.

Mikey actually won 4. But, yeah, that's still a sad amount.

crl wrote:

bartman97 wrote:Pretty much most of the people that everyone else has said I agree with. I've never seen Elton Sawyer run a race, except for some fail Busch/Nationwide Daytona race in 1999 that people on ISRA TS were talking about. I don't see how Romain Grosjean is overrated when barely anyone knows him? Jimmie Johnson is not one of the top 5 drivers in NASCAR history because of his inability to win a championship while racing 36 races. Joey Logano was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread, guess what, he's wasting space in good equipment for someone who deserves it. Dale Jr only cares about iRacing these days, Nigel Mansell was a spoilt baby. Kyle Busch is overrated because ESPN loves his great old records in Nationwide that even Kyle himself doesn't really give 2 craps about lol. Danica Patrick won a indycar race only on fuel mileage. Paul Tracy was a fast driver, he was just a massive douchebag to a lot of people, especially Dario when they were teammates and Bourdais. Michael Waltrip only won 3 races in 766 races, now that stat is nothing but sad to be honest.

Mikey actually won 4. But, yeah, that's still a sad amount.

he only managed to get lucky during his All-Star win in '96, and he almost had a race at Darlington won (1991 I think it was), but he had engine problems, other than that, I'm going to have to agree.

I seen Kyle Busch on here for not winning a championship or folding in the chase, well to be honest its not him that folds its his teams. In 08 he had the lead to start the chase and in the first race of the chase someone leaves the track bar lose, then at dover the engine fails which just put him out of it. And i also saw Lewis Hamliton ? i mean do you watch Formula1 racing or Gp2? im gonna guess not if you said hes overrated.

But my pick has to be Dale Jr

Theres so many reasons why but lets start with stats he only has 18 wins since his first start in 1998. thats 13 years and only 18 wins where Kyle bush who some think is overrated has 23 wins in only 7 years. Jr Also struggles to be competitive at Raod Course, and Intermediate tracks, the only two tracks he perfomacne well at are Daytona and Talladega which half of his wins are from. He seems to fade when ever doesnt have a good car from the start of the race, and from what i hear from his audio he gives terrible if any feed back to his crew chief. The sad honest truth is the guys sufferes from his dads succes and will always live in his shadows, I think hes just one of thoes guys whos good but not good enough to be a champ.

tommykl wrote:Paul di Resta - expected to succeed in Formula 1 because of his DTM success and because he beat Vettel in F3. Frankly, he only had two good runs this year: Hungary and Singapore, while Sutil had Monaco, Germany, Belgium and Brazil. Sutil scored 15 more points and ended four spots ahead.

This

bartman97 wrote:Pretty much most of the people that everyone else has said I agree with. I've never seen Elton Sawyer run a race, except for some fail Busch/Nationwide Daytona race in 1999 that people on ISRA TS were talking about. I don't see how Romain Grosjean is overrated when barely anyone knows him? Jimmie Johnson is not one of the top 5 drivers in NASCAR history because of his inability to win a championship while racing 36 races. Joey Logano was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread, guess what, he's wasting space in good equipment for someone who deserves it. Dale Jr only cares about iRacing these days, Nigel Mansell was a spoilt baby. Kyle Busch is overrated because ESPN loves his great old records in Nationwide that even Kyle himself doesn't really give 2 craps about lol. Danica Patrick won a indycar race only on fuel mileage. Paul Tracy was a fast driver, he was just a massive douchebag to a lot of people, especially Dario when they were teammates and Bourdais. Michael Waltrip only won 3 races in 766 races, now that stat is nothing but sad to be honest.

Waltrip's stat is sad because he spent a good part of his career in damn good cars... and Danica beat Helio Castroneves in a fuel mileage race -- no mean feat.

tommykl wrote:Paul di Resta - expected to succeed in Formula 1 because of his DTM success and because he beat Vettel in F3. Frankly, he only had two good runs this year: Hungary and Singapore, while Sutil had Monaco, Germany, Belgium and Brazil. Sutil scored 15 more points and ended four spots ahead.

Using the new points system...

di Resta's first 19 races in a mid-level car like Force India - 27 points, finished in all but two races (and classified in one of those two races), despite pretty much going right from "tin tops" to F1

Vettel's first 19 races in a mid-level car like Toro Rosso- 33 points, but 9 DNF's

Lets see if di Resta can get a win in year two (Vettel went gang busters to finish his time at Toro Rosso), or better yet, put him in a competitive car, then you can make that comparision between him and Vettel.

Cynon wrote:

bartman97 wrote:Pretty much most of the people that everyone else has said I agree with. I've never seen Elton Sawyer run a race, except for some fail Busch/Nationwide Daytona race in 1999 that people on ISRA TS were talking about. I don't see how Romain Grosjean is overrated when barely anyone knows him? Jimmie Johnson is not one of the top 5 drivers in NASCAR history because of his inability to win a championship while racing 36 races. Joey Logano was supposed to be the best thing since sliced bread, guess what, he's wasting space in good equipment for someone who deserves it. Dale Jr only cares about iRacing these days, Nigel Mansell was a spoilt baby. Kyle Busch is overrated because ESPN loves his great old records in Nationwide that even Kyle himself doesn't really give 2 craps about lol. Danica Patrick won a indycar race only on fuel mileage. Paul Tracy was a fast driver, he was just a massive douchebag to a lot of people, especially Dario when they were teammates and Bourdais. Michael Waltrip only won 3 races in 766 races, now that stat is nothing but sad to be honest.

Waltrip's stat is sad because he spent a good part of his career in damn good cars... and Danica beat Helio Castroneves in a fuel mileage race -- no mean feat.

That was just a product of the times. Put that #30 team with Waltrip in it in the late 90's-early 00's when tons of teams could challenge for wins, and Waltrip would have a few wins to his name. Back in the early-mid 90's, if a mid-tier team got a win, that was a remarkable achievement

Elton Sawyer ran forever in the Busch series. Had good equipment with Akins and didnt fail. Was a top 15 guy but thats about it. Cant say hew was overrated because he never really was a top tier guy nor was considered one. Did a few races in Junior Johnson's car in 95 and was dogshit slow but in Busch he was consistent top 15. Thats about it.

His wife Patty Moise is a whole different matter....... Fail in all respects.

Michael Waltrip is one of the most overrated drivers in NASCAR history. Had very good equipment with Bahari and wrecked. Was slow with the Wood Bros and his stint in the Ultra #7 was horrendous. His only saving grace was that Sr gave him a ride and he just happened to win on superspeedways. In all other respects Michael is a David Ragan except Mikey wrecks more. The #30 was arguably the best Pontiac team in the field and Waltrip failed miserably. The theory of him having success for the late 90's Bahari dosent hold water as the team was pretty much all but done by then although Benson wasnt exactly terrible. But mother of god, Cope was the equalvlent of a Forti in the #30 in 98' and 99'.

pepsibottle1 wrote:Elton Sawyer ran forever in the Busch series. Had good equipment with Akins and didnt fail. Was a top 15 guy but thats about it. Cant say hew was overrated because he never really was a top tier guy nor was considered one. Did a few races in Junior Johnson's car in 95 and was dogshit slow but in Busch he was consistent top 15. Thats about it.

His wife Patty Moise is a whole different matter....... Fail in all respects.

Michael Waltrip is one of the most overrated drivers in NASCAR history. Had very good equipment with Bahari and wrecked. Was slow with the Wood Bros and his stint in the Ultra #7 was horrendous. His only saving grace was that Sr gave him a ride and he just happened to win on superspeedways. In all other respects Michael is a David Ragan except Mikey wrecks more. The #30 was arguably the best Pontiac team in the field and Waltrip failed miserably. The theory of him having success for the late 90's Bahari dosent hold water as the team was pretty much all but done by then although Benson wasnt exactly terrible. But mother of god, Cope was the equalvlent of a Forti in the #30 in 98' and 99'.

Most anybody, short of a road course ringer at a road course, would of failed in that 7 car at that time. And when I made my comment about Bahari in the late 90's-early 00's, I referred to if they had the power they had in the early-mid 90's, and it translated to the late 90's and early 00's

Elton Sawyer was overrated by every definition of the word lol. For as long as he ran in the Busch series with good equipment (not fair/average, I mean good compared to everyone else), he accomplished a very small amount. He actually did better with his own team, when he was actually competitive with a piece of garbage.

There's many, many, many, many, many, many, many, MANY things I could ramble on about Michael Waltrip and his brother for that matter, but everyone's already summed up my thoughts.

Most highly overrated driver in the last decade? I would give that award to Casey Atwood. Anyone remember the hype surrounding Atwood being the "next Jeff Gordon" of NASCAR? He did ok with Brewco in the '99 Busch season, but that car was major hacks compared to the rest of the field so it was really no surprise. After a year of praising his "God-given" abilities as they claimed in a few races, he moved to Cup and secured himself a comfy spot on the top 5 flops of NASCAR list.

Anyone remember Buckshot Jones? Oh gawd. Everyone was expecting him to be the next big thing and he failed miserably in cup. Couple of people lost their job over that statement lol. Then there was Loy Allen Jr who for some unexplained reason won pole for almost every superspeedway race in 1994 yet failed to qualify for nearly everything else. He could drive the hell out of a superspeedway but blew at short tracks and everything else. I remember watching Speedweeks 94 that my dad had lying around and boy did they suck his dick for being the first rookie to sit on the pole for the 500. Then he has to use a provisional the next week for Rockingham lawz and DNQ'd the next week at Richmond. Tri-Star equipment sucked but he still sucked in the #27 in 95.

pepsibottle1 wrote:Anyone remember Buckshot Jones? Oh gawd. Everyone was expecting him to be the next big thing and he failed miserably in cup. Couple of people lost their job over that statement lol.

I was a fan of him until I realized how much he sucked....

pennst24 wrote:Jimmie Johnson by far. He's a good driver, but no where near the top of all time. How many times did he self spin this year? I can remember 5 noobish spins off a corner while "overrated" drivers like Logano and JRRRRR kept it on track.

::sigh:: you're right, he sucks. he had a down year after winning five straight championships...now he sucks.

pepsibottle1 wrote:Anyone remember Bucksh*t Jones

Fixed

Hmmm, who do I think is overrated. Well I'm gonna start off with my take here on who isn't:

Dale Earnhardt Jr: And before I get labeled a Jr fan, let me explain. Unlike the drivers I think are massively overrated, there was a time where Dale was actually performing well and unlike a certain spoiled Cup driver who had to drive to for a Cup team while he was in cup to win a nationwide series title, Dale accomplished this as only a Busch Series regular and actually earned his ride in Cup (which in my mind is the right way to do it instead of pulling off one win and suddenly shooting straight to Cup). Sure he's hit a giant plateau thats lasted for a long time with no wins or cup championships and is still the more popular driver, but thats more his fans fault then his own. Fans need to stop associating automatic success with a last name and they won't be dissapointed so much.

Now on to the drivers I consider massively overrated:

Kyle Busch: He gets compared to the greats from way back when for win records not in Cup, but in Nationwide and Trucks. Sure Johnson gets compared to them as well, but at least its only in the series that actually matters. I swear every single announcer that does NASCAR races has kissed his assed more so then anyone else. Hell, he alone is the reason why I don't consider Dale Jr overrated and on top of that, is the biggest brat I've ever seen. Bitches when he can't win and can't fight his own battles without NASCAR. Man the hell up.

Danica Patrick: Need another reason Dale is not overrated in my mind? Look no further then her. Unlike the owner she'll drive for in Nationwide, She has only 1 win and 0 championships. Also has proven to be a snot nosed brat (Anyone remember Indy when she got booed?). Unless she actually proves she's far better in NASCAR then she was in Indycars, She's nothing more then a pretty face with a big sponsor. Put the damn make-up down and drive.

Micheal Schumacher: Yeah, I went there. Why? Because his return was massively overhyped and he has nothing to show for it. Nico Rosberg has been regularly out performing him for the last two seasons (what irony). Now I was lenient on him in 2010 because it was his first time back and thought maybe it would take him a season to get back in the groove fully. However, that didn't happen. Quite frankly, I'm convinced he's got nothing left and after some hidious mistakes (Singapore anyone?). This is not a seven time F1 driver, this is a has-been who as far as I'm concerned should've stayed retired.

Lewis Hamilton: Because he lost all my respect the last two seasons being a complete brat (along with Felipe) and has made pathetic mistakes even I saw coming from a mile away. If that isn't enough, he also gives his crew alot of S*** where everyone can hear it (like a certain Busch brother). He seriously needs to grow the hell up.

And thats all from me (for now).

Cynon wrote:To start my post; MICHAEL WALTRIP.

This does not compute. Are you sure you don't mean Darrell Waltrip?

antknee wrote:

pennst24 wrote:Jimmie Johnson by far. He's a good driver, but no where near the top of all time. How many times did he self spin this year? I can remember 5 noobish spins off a corner while "overrated" drivers like Logano and JRRRRR kept it on track.

::sigh:: you're right, he sucks. he had a down year after winning five straight championships...now he sucks.

I never said he sucks. He's a good driver, but he's not the best. Let's not forget he was completely lost in the Busch Series, scoring his only win Danica-style. In 64 full-time starts for the 92 Excedrin team, he had 1 win, 4 top-5's, and only 15 top tens. In comparison, Todd Bodine in the same car in only 50 starts in '02 and '03 scored 2 wins (both legit at Kentucky and Darlington), 12 top 5's, and 19 top 10's. Jimmie Johnson was outperformed in the same equipment by Todd Bodine.

I'll also mention that in 2002 Johnson and Knaus, a great crew chief, were GIVEN championship equipment from the 24. I believe that Knaus has progressed more as a crew chief than Johnson has as a driver. Jeff Gordon has won titles without Ray Evernham (when Evernham was replaced, Loomis was brought in from Petty Enterprises). Let's see Johnson win one without Knaus.

pepsibottle1 wrote: Tri-Star equipment sucked but he still sucked in the #27 in 95.

That was Junior Johnson actually. He went back to Tri-star in 96 and hurt himself pretty badly at Rockingham and pretty much was rarely seen racing again.


EDIT: This didn't help either....