Re: 2012 Quicken Loans 400 - Sprint Cup Series

by RealRacer4 Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:59 pm

Well how about that? At least Dale Jr. won this race straight up.

by navycook75 Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:01 pm

YES! this is the greatest day ever! 4 years have led up to day!

by JMac525 Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:01 pm

Welcome back, Dale Jr. Good to see this finally happen.

Btw, Junior found the key to winning. He had to be Batman. Very Happy

by day500champ1 Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:01 pm

Dale had the best car hands down. The only way he was going to lose this thing was to have a problem.

So, Jr., this Dew is definitely for you. Cool

by BWard Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:02 pm

AntmanB wrote:If Jr wins this race, the Internet will Explode.

I think it just did. Laughing

by **antknee** Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:05 pm

wow, you'd think he just won the championship. happy for Dale Jr, just get irritated by the "Nation" sometimes.

by Alta Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:06 pm

Jr wins. World confirmed for ending.

by **crl** Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:06 pm

Logano and Junior in back-to-back weeks.

It is 2012.

by BBoy Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:09 pm

How bout it? Dale Jr. is back to victory lane at Michigan! It's got to be a great day to be a Junior fan!

by Rykia Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:11 pm

One of my favorite drivers gets caught up in LOLgano's wreck, the other wins. I'm okay with that Very Happy

So glad to see Jr. win. I think he can be a championship threat if he keeps it up, though I wouldn't bet on it.

by PackerMan71 Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:11 pm

antknee wrote:wow, you'd think he just won the championship. happy for Dale Jr, just get irritated by the "Nation" sometimes.

(sigh) Antknee, don't buzzkill the moment, please. Let the Jr. fans celebrate. They've waited four long years for this.

As far as the race is concerned, kind of average, although the 215 mph top speed was insane. Shocked

by Kornography Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:21 pm

Last time I saw Junior win was his Chicago win in 05, I missed the other two, so it's been a REALLY REALLY long time coming for me! I am so glad to be a Junior fan today! Very Happy

by flyingturns89 Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:21 pm

antknee wrote:wow, you'd think he just won the championship. happy for Dale Jr, just get irritated by the "Nation" sometimes.

Agreed. Could hear my mom screaming and cheering from the other side of the house.

by navycook75 Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:23 pm

crl wrote:Logano and Junior in back-to-back weeks.

It is 2012.

so all we need now is Jeff Burton and Mark Martin winning....

by **crl** Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:26 pm

navycook75 wrote:
crl wrote:Logano and Junior in back-to-back weeks.

It is 2012.
so all we need now is Jeff Burton and Mark Martin winning....

No.

Ragan or Gilliland.

by Racerfan275 Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:33 pm

crl wrote:
navycook75 wrote:
crl wrote:Logano and Junior in back-to-back weeks.

It is 2012.
so all we need now is Jeff Burton and Mark Martin winning....

No.

Ragan or Gilliland.

No Martin and Gilliland

by Mystrsyko Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:37 pm

Good win for a midfielder today

by navycook75 Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:38 pm

Mystrsyko wrote:Good win for a midfielder today

if he's such a midfielder, then tell me why he's 2nd in points, even before his win?

by PackerMan71 Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:48 pm

Mystrsyko wrote:Good win for a midfielder today

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...and here's why:

1 win, 5 top 5s, 12 top 10s, 14 top 15s in 15 starts, lowest finish 17th, 2nd in points, completed every lap so far this season.

You're welcome.

by Mystrsyko Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:56 pm

PackerMan71 wrote:...and here's why:

1 win, 5 top 5s, 12 top 10s, 14 top 15s in 15 starts, lowest finish 17th, 2nd in points, completed every lap so far this season.

You're welcome.

Points standing at race 15 means basically nothing. Elliot Sadler was in the same spot in 2005 after race 15 and he finished the year in 13th. I doubt many people consider him anything more than a midfielder.

Or how about Stirling Marlin leading the points at race 15 in 2002 and ending up 18th at year's end?

My point being that Jr's past performance over the last few years shows that he is basically a midfielder. Yes, he's having a good year so far, but that happens to just about everyone once in awhile. He'll have to keep that pace up through the chase to prove it's anything but a hot streak

by conrail1990 Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:57 pm

PackerMan71 wrote:
Mystrsyko wrote:Good win for a midfielder today

...and here's why:

1 win, 5 top 5s, 12 top 10s, 14 top 15s in 15 starts, lowest finish 17th, 2nd in points, completed every lap so far this season.

You're welcome.

Now bring up the stats since his last win in 08 and we'll still see if the argument is still invalid.....

by Racerfan275 Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:04 pm

conrail1990 wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
Mystrsyko wrote:Good win for a midfielder today

...and here's why:

1 win, 5 top 5s, 12 top 10s, 14 top 15s in 15 starts, lowest finish 17th, 2nd in points, completed every lap so far this season.

You're welcome.
Now bring up the stats since his last win in 08 and we'll still see if the argument is still invalid.....

Got em
2009	36	0	2	5	0	4,097,190	25th	23.2
2010	36	0	3	8	1	4,572,928	21st	18.6
2011	36	0	4	12	1	4,082,538	7th	14.5

by PackerMan71 Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:06 pm

conrail1990 wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
Mystrsyko wrote:Good win for a midfielder today

...and here's why:

1 win, 5 top 5s, 12 top 10s, 14 top 15s in 15 starts, lowest finish 17th, 2nd in points, completed every lap so far this season.

You're welcome.
Now bring up the stats since his last win in 08 and we'll still see if the argument is still invalid.....

The stats in the last four years are irrelevant. The 88 team has found the type of chemistry we've seen from Jimmie Johnson and Chad Knaus since they started working together. It took a bit longer than expected, but last year, Jr. finished 7th, so there were signs of improvement. And starting this year, they've really hit on something. When your worst finish of the year is 17th, and you've finished in the top 15 fourteen times out of fifteen races, you don't get those kind of results out of luck. Those are the kind of numbers we usually see from Jimmie Johnson (I think he's close to those numbers as well.) And there were at least 6-7 races where Jr. was up front when it counted and had a shot at the win.

I'd say he's shed his "midfielder" status.

by Kornography Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:16 pm

Mystrsyko wrote:Or how about Stirling Marlin leading the points at race 15 in 2002 and ending up 18th at year's end?

...

...

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by **crl** Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:17 pm

Mystrsyko wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:...and here's why:

1 win, 5 top 5s, 12 top 10s, 14 top 15s in 15 starts, lowest finish 17th, 2nd in points, completed every lap so far this season.

You're welcome.
Points standing at race 15 means basically nothing. Elliot Sadler was in the same spot in 2005 after race 15 and he finished the year in 13th. I doubt many people consider him anything more than a midfielder.

Or how about Stirling Marlin leading the points at race 15 in 2002 and ending up 18th at year's end?

My point being that Jr's past performance over the last few years shows that he is basically a midfielder. Yes, he's having a good year so far, but that happens to just about everyone once in awhile. He'll have to keep that pace up through the chase to prove it's anything but a hot streak

Big difference. Marlin broke his neck at Kansas and couldn't finish the season.

by conrail1990 Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:17 pm

PackerMan71 wrote:
conrail1990 wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
Mystrsyko wrote:Good win for a midfielder today

...and here's why:

1 win, 5 top 5s, 12 top 10s, 14 top 15s in 15 starts, lowest finish 17th, 2nd in points, completed every lap so far this season.

You're welcome.
Now bring up the stats since his last win in 08 and we'll still see if the argument is still invalid.....

The stats in the last four years are irrelevant. The 88 team has found the type of chemistry we've seen from Jimmie Johnson and Chad Knaus since they started working together. It took a bit longer than expected, but last year, Jr. finished 7th, so there were signs of improvement. And starting this year, they've really hit on something. When your worst finish of the year is 17th, and you've finished in the top 15 fourteen times out of fifteen races, you don't get those kind of results out of luck. Those are the kind of numbers we usually see from Jimmie Johnson (I think he's close to those numbers as well.) And there were at least 6-7 races where Jr. was up front when it counted and had a shot at the win.

I'd say he's shed his "midfielder" status.

With a total average finish of 18.7 for the past 3 years along with only 25 top 10's in that time. Not exactly earth shattering results. And you cant say "Those are the kind of numbers we usually see from Jimmie Johnson" For the past 3 years Jimmie Johnson has a total average finish of 11.7 with 55 top 10's

by Cardinals5 Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:24 pm

Mystrsyko wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:...and here's why:

1 win, 5 top 5s, 12 top 10s, 14 top 15s in 15 starts, lowest finish 17th, 2nd in points, completed every lap so far this season.

You're welcome.
Points standing at race 15 means basically nothing. Elliot Sadler was in the same spot in 2005 after race 15 and he finished the year in 13th. I doubt many people consider him anything more than a midfielder.

Or how about Stirling Marlin leading the points at race 15 in 2002 and ending up 18th at year's end?

My point being that Jr's past performance over the last few years shows that he is basically a midfielder. Yes, he's having a good year so far, but that happens to just about everyone once in awhile. He'll have to keep that pace up through the chase to prove it's anything but a hot streak

Didn't he miss at least the last few races in the season because he broke his neck?

by Vincent Giacalone Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:29 pm

Lewis just achieved major pownage.

Anyway, I'm extremely happy to see Junior win, especially sitting with my family on the anniversary of the day I watched my very first race. But inb4 his extreme detractors still try to say it doesn't count for some random arbitrary reason.

by Racerfan275 Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:36 pm

Anyways, Junior was going to win sooner or later let's face it. He deserved it. Let's see how he does later. I say he's no longer a midfielder.

by Vincent Giacalone Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:39 pm

I also found this turn of events hilarious. (Look at the news headlines)

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by navycook75 Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:40 pm

I personally think that Junior has found what needs to be fixed, granted his crew chief screwed him over a few times, but other than that, I think we might see another win or two out of him this year.

by RealRacer4 Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:18 pm

Mystrsyko wrote:Or how about Stirling Marlin leading the points at race 15 in 2002 and ending up 18th at year's end?

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by Blake Camphausen Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:55 pm

Jr. breaks a 6 year winless streak...

...I don't count fuel mileage wins.

His last victory before today was May 6th of 2006, at Richmond.

by PackerMan71 Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:01 pm

conrail1990 wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
conrail1990 wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
Mystrsyko wrote:Good win for a midfielder today

...and here's why:

1 win, 5 top 5s, 12 top 10s, 14 top 15s in 15 starts, lowest finish 17th, 2nd in points, completed every lap so far this season.

You're welcome.
Now bring up the stats since his last win in 08 and we'll still see if the argument is still invalid.....

The stats in the last four years are irrelevant. The 88 team has found the type of chemistry we've seen from Jimmie Johnson and Chad Knaus since they started working together. It took a bit longer than expected, but last year, Jr. finished 7th, so there were signs of improvement. And starting this year, they've really hit on something. When your worst finish of the year is 17th, and you've finished in the top 15 fourteen times out of fifteen races, you don't get those kind of results out of luck. Those are the kind of numbers we usually see from Jimmie Johnson (I think he's close to those numbers as well.) And there were at least 6-7 races where Jr. was up front when it counted and had a shot at the win.

I'd say he's shed his "midfielder" status.
With a total average finish of 18.7 for the past 3 years along with only 25 top 10's in that time. Not exactly earth shattering results. And you cant say "Those are the kind of numbers we usually see from Jimmie Johnson" For the past 3 years Jimmie Johnson has a total average finish of 11.7 with 55 top 10's

Well, sir, I guess we're gonna have to agree to disagree. Neutral

I guess the old saying is true...

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by AntmanB Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:06 pm

I just realized thar Jr is in the all star race now. no more Fan Votes for him!

by Vincent Giacalone Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:17 pm

Blake Camphausen wrote:Jr. breaks a 6 year winless streak...

...I don't count fuel mileage wins.

His last victory before today was May 6th of 2006, at Richmond.

He still had to hold off other cars - fast ones - for the 2008 win, as opposed to it being like that 2006 Kansas race where Stewart won or the '07 600 where Casey Mears won.

by Blake Camphausen Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:40 pm

Nascarboy426 wrote:
Blake Camphausen wrote:Jr. breaks a 6 year winless streak...

...I don't count fuel mileage wins.

His last victory before today was May 6th of 2006, at Richmond.

He still had to hold off other cars - fast ones - for the 2008 win, as opposed to it being like that 2006 Kansas race where Stewart won or the '07 600 where Casey Mears won.

That race ended under yellow....

...And Mears actually ran toward the front in the 2007 500 if my memory serves me right. I don't actually remember the 2006 Kansas race. So I can't comment.

by **crl** Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:53 pm

Blake Camphausen wrote:
Nascarboy426 wrote:
Blake Camphausen wrote:Jr. breaks a 6 year winless streak...

...I don't count fuel mileage wins.

His last victory before today was May 6th of 2006, at Richmond.

He still had to hold off other cars - fast ones - for the 2008 win, as opposed to it being like that 2006 Kansas race where Stewart won or the '07 600 where Casey Mears won.
That race ended under yellow....

...And Mears actually ran toward the front in the 2007 500 if my memory serves me right. I don't actually remember the 2006 Kansas race. So I can't comment.

Stewart ran out of gas in about Turn 3, and had a big enough lead over Mears to coast to the finish.

by AntmanB Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:06 pm

actually mears also ran out of fuel in turn 4 in that race.

by MPatterson1724 Sun Jun 17, 2012 11:17 pm

Batman car finished 1st, Bayne finished 43rd.
Lol'd

by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:11 am

AntmanB wrote:I just realized thar Jr is in the all star race now. no more Fan Votes for him!

jeffgordonwinsfanvotelol

by Alta Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:29 am

Lacklaster race for the most part. The fun for me coming at the ending scaring Junior fans into thinkng he's going to hildebrand.

Road Course fun next week!

by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:11 am

I just remembered (I feel asleep at the end of the race) that I rolled 88 when I was rolling for the race winner and the 4chan /sp/ race thread.

by BWard Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:57 am

Dale Sr is still probably thinking 'good boy Junebug, wonderful job today' Smile

by Mystrsyko Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:03 am

crl wrote:Marlin broke his neck at Kansas and couldn't finish the season.

This is true, but it also illustrates my point that anything could happen to Jr (or anyone else) in the next 21 races to cancel out their early success. Let's not forget that the middle of the season is where the balance of power seems to change. Guys like Tony Stewart and Jimmie Johnson tend to get fired up and dominate the second half of the year, while guys like Greg Biffle, Denny Hamlin and Kyle Busch tend to falter and drop back in the standings.

Remember Juan Montoya's 2009 when he top 10'd the field to death and finished 8th in points? He looked like a legitimate front running contender, but from 2010 through the present he has been right back in the middle of the pack. Nothing really changed, he just finally had some luck and hit a hot streak, and once that streak was over he went right back to where he was before. I can't deny that Jr has been on a hot streak since last season, but he needs that to continue the rest of this year and maybe into next year to fully shed the "midpacker" status. Right now he's kind of in a transition zone between "midpacker" and "front runner".

I do have to say though, despite my skepticism, this is the best I have seen him and his team work in a long time. It truly looks like they've figured it out and turned things around. But of course, only time will tell if that is an accurate assessment.

by bartman97 Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:14 am

He finally learnt how to win, good job Junebug.

by Kornography Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:25 am

Mystrsyko wrote:
crl wrote:Marlin broke his neck at Kansas and couldn't finish the season.
This is true, but it also illustrates my point that anything could happen to Jr (or anyone else) in the next 21 races to cancel out their early success.

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by Mother of Invention Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:31 am

MPatterson1724 wrote:Batman car finished 1st, Bayne finished 43rd.
Lol'd

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by AntmanB Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:56 pm

ISRA Reactions............

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