2012 Budweiser Shootout

pennst24 wrote:

O rly?

Please read again:

Nascarboy426 wrote:Don't believe Dale Jr. has flipped in Cup. I know he went over in the Busch races in '98 and 2010.

Didn't read, I guess. LOL

I say we switch the COT out with Goody's Dash Cars! That'll solve everything.

pennst24 wrote:NASCAR's really pushing their luck. They claim to be the best in the world, lol they suck. I guess Brian France wants to wreck cars to satisfy the Dale Jr. hicks, but I don't want to hear the bitching when a driver leaves in a casket.

The only reason the wrecks happened were because apparently two years of 2CT makes drivers forget that you can't bump in the corners. QQ

Kornography wrote:

pennst24 wrote:NASCAR's really pushing their luck. They claim to be the best in the world, lol they suck. I guess Brian France wants to wreck cars to satisfy the Dale Jr. hicks, but I don't want to hear the bitching when a driver leaves in a casket.

The only reason the wrecks happened were because apparently two years of 2CT makes drivers forget that you can't bump in the corners. QQ

^This^
If you think about it, it took two years to perfect the two car tandem. Now, with all the changes NASCAR has made, they have to unlearn the two car tandem and revert back to pack racing. I think the 500 will probably be a lot tamer.

Kornography wrote:

pennst24 wrote:NASCAR's really pushing their luck. They claim to be the best in the world, lol they suck. I guess Brian France wants to wreck cars to satisfy the Dale Jr. hicks, but I don't want to hear the bitching when a driver leaves in a casket.

The only reason the wrecks happened were because apparently two years of 2CT makes drivers forget that you can't bump in the corners. QQ

That's why ARCA banned bumping in the corners.

Cardinals5 wrote:

pennst24 wrote:

Cardinals5 wrote:

pennst24 wrote:NASCAR's really pushing their luck. They claim to be the best in the world, lol they suck. I guess Brian France wants to wreck cars to satisfy the Dale Jr. hicks, but I don't want to hear the bitching when a driver leaves in a casket.

I am either a troll or stupid

There, I fixed it for you kind sir.

Sorry for being a concerned fan.

That's not being a concerned fan. It's being smug and ignorant. You blame one group of fans based on what? Because Jr fans comprise well over 50% of NASCAR's viewership, it's their fault? Somehow, you can pin precisely the frustrated statements of a worldwide viewing audience on a select core of fans? You're either a psychic or you're blaming the easiest target. You might as well be blaming Danica Patrick or Bernie Eccelstone.

You don't like the racing? Change the channel. I did that at (among other tracks) Talladega and Daytona last year. The tandem racing was NOT superspeedway racing in NASCAR; whether you like it or not, pack racing is the allure of these tracks. Without it, Daytona is nothing but a blown up version of Las Vegas, and we know how exciting those races are. A great finish does not make a good race, and aside from the Daytona 500 there was a lot left to be desired by the plate races last year.

EDIT: Also, referring to your post above: The "pay drivers" weren't the ones messing up tonight. Jeff Gordon, Greg Biffle, Martin Truex, Jimmie Johnson all messed up at various points in the race, among other drivers that I assuredly missed. In fact, I'm pretty sure the only pay driver in the field at all is Paul Menard, and he was as qualified as any other driver.

I'm seriously thinking of banning both of you for that little exchange. None of that shit was called for. Carry on with the discussion, though...

Wait, what just happened?

express your opinions, be prepared to defend them (within reason), and respect the opinions of others. any further personal attacks will earn a free trip out the door. this is getting way out of hand.

just because you don't agree with someone is not a green light for flaming. i'm all for a healthy debate but many of us apparently don't understand the concept.

unknown user wrote:Having seen this race I have come to the conclusion that the 500 will be like porn to Boozooka.

I just got a chance to watch this. ALL of the drivers I wanted to see win aside from Stewart got involved in a wreck of sorts (though Ambrose managed to get 3rd anyway). I think the blending of two cars tandems and pack racing will go away after a bit, but it's interesting now. Just hope they calm down in the 500 when it really matters. Don't want to see 6 drivers left after 150 laps on Sunday.

Cynon wrote:

Cardinals5 wrote:

pennst24 wrote:

Cardinals5 wrote:

pennst24 wrote:NASCAR's really pushing their luck. They claim to be the best in the world, lol they suck. I guess Brian France wants to wreck cars to satisfy the Dale Jr. hicks, but I don't want to hear the bitching when a driver leaves in a casket.

I am either a troll or stupid

There, I fixed it for you kind sir.

Sorry for being a concerned fan.

That's not being a concerned fan. It's being smug and ignorant. You blame one group of fans based on what? Because Jr fans comprise well over 50% of NASCAR's viewership, it's their fault? Somehow, you can pin precisely the frustrated statements of a worldwide viewing audience on a select core of fans? You're either a psychic or you're blaming the easiest target. You might as well be blaming Danica Patrick or Bernie Eccelstone.

You don't like the racing? Change the channel. I did that at (among other tracks) Talladega and Daytona last year. The tandem racing was NOT superspeedway racing in NASCAR; whether you like it or not, pack racing is the allure of these tracks. Without it, Daytona is nothing but a blown up version of Las Vegas, and we know how exciting those races are. A great finish does not make a good race, and aside from the Daytona 500 there was a lot left to be desired by the plate races last year.

EDIT: Also, referring to your post above: The "pay drivers" weren't the ones messing up tonight. Jeff Gordon, Greg Biffle, Martin Truex, Jimmie Johnson all messed up at various points in the race, among other drivers that I assuredly missed. In fact, I'm pretty sure the only pay driver in the field at all is Paul Menard, and he was as qualified as any other driver.

I'm seriously thinking of banning both of you for that little exchange. None of that shit was called for. Carry on with the discussion, though...

I'd say that Eich was in the wrong TBH. Cardinals was just making a valid argument that it's not the Jr. fans' fault. 90% of the fans were sick of seeing the two-car tandems, so NASCAR actually did something about it.

pennst24 wrote:NASCAR's really pushing their luck. They claim to be the best in the world, lol they suck. I guess Brian France wants to wreck cars to satisfy the Dale Jr. hicks, but I don't want to hear the bitching when a driver leaves in a casket.

You've gotta be sh*tting me, Eichholtz.

You honestly think that someone's going to die in NASCAR again? They make it way too safe nowadays to get injured in a 200 mph crash.

Casey Lester wrote:

pennst24 wrote:NASCAR's really pushing their luck. They claim to be the best in the world, lol they suck. I guess Brian France wants to wreck cars to satisfy the Dale Jr. hicks, but I don't want to hear the bitching when a driver leaves in a casket.

You've gotta be sh*tting me, Eichholtz.

You honestly think that someone's going to die in NASCAR again? They make it way too safe nowadays to get injured in a 200 mph crash.

I have a feeling the admins aren't going to be terribly thrilled with that post.

It's my opinion. It's not too easy to get yourself hurt in NASCAR these days.

Casey Lester wrote:It's my opinion. It's not too easy to get yourself hurt in NASCAR these days.

This. I know I might sound like an insensitive jerk by saying this, but even when Gordon started rolling, I knew he was going to be fine. The announcers went quiet and solemn like they thought he might be dead, but I wasn't even fazed when I heard he was okay. I mean, compared McDowell walking away from a crash like Texas 2008, this was child's play. He didn't make huge contact with anything considering he was just sort of pushed over sideways, and the flipping directed the rest of the energy away from him. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it wasn't a pleasant experience, but other than the fear of having your car go upside down for the first time in your career, he probably didn't feel a thing.

Ok, I need to say a few things after what i've read.

First, if Elliott Sadler could walk away (although battered) from his crash at Pocono two years ago, then I think the cars are safe. And beside if I driver is going to be injured or killed, it's going to be in a "sudden stop" wreck like Sadler's or Johnson's at Charlotte last year.

The roll overs like Jeff had Saturday night are better because you're dissipating energy.

Second, and I've said this before, it doesn't matter what NASCAR does to the cars. The drivers are going to do what is going to give them the best shot to win. With the package NASCAR has right now, both the pack racing and the 2CT are going to be seen.

The reason the 2CT is going on, is it's faster. And that is the product of the car. The teams knew it was going to be faster and that's why they had it so down pat last year.

Personally, I like the 2CT for the finish. 'Cause you could have either the slingshot finish (like what Bowyer did to Burton last year at 'Dega) or the multiple cars finish for the win (like Johnson's win). With the pack racing, you're not going to have the finishes. 'Cause the cars behind the leader either need to go together to make a pass or their getting hung out to dry.

And third, a personal attack doesn't not make an argument better. In fact, it makes the person making the attack look like a YOU KNOW WHAT.