Perhaps The Worst Idea In NASCAR History?

My head hurts.

So basically they're admitting that debris cautions were fake, and making it a gimmick instead?

This is the same series that had halftime breaks, don't forget.

Wait wat?

What in the fuck kind of bullshit is this?!?

RyanB06 wrote:This is the same series that had halftime breaks, don't forget.

Because they didn't have pit crews do work like they did in Cup and Busch when they did that. At least that was a little more tolerable than this.

Well, I went and looked it up and did a little math.

Using 2015 as a guide, I went and calculated the number of cautions based on the 2016 clock rule based on the actual running time of each race, that is, the time from green on Lap 1 to the checkers, ignoring red flag periods. For the sake of easier math, I rounded each run time to the nearest minute.

Race	Track	Run time (mins)	Cautions, 2015	Cautions, new (every 20 mins)	Difference, 2015 to 2016
1	Daytona	116	6	6	0
2	Atlanta	85	3	4	1
3	Martinsville	119	9	6	-3
4	Kansas	117	4	6	2
5	Charlotte	97	5	5	0
6	Dover	116	8	6	-2
7	Texas	111	5	6	1
8	Gateway	123	6	6	0
9	Iowa	108	6	5	-1
10	Kentucky	111	8	6	-2
11	Eldora
12	Pocono	96	5	5	0
13	Michigan	93	6	5	-1
14	Bristol	80	5	4	-1
15	Canadian Tire	113	5	6	1
16	Chicago	111	3	6	3
17	New Hampshire	116	6	6	0
18	Las Vegas	98	3	5	2
19	Tally	120	6	6	0
20	Martinsville	104	12	5	-7
21	Texas	83	1	4	3
22	Phoenix	97	7	5	-2
23	Homestead	95	4	5	1

Note that for only three of the 22 events (remember, no clock at Eldora) the number of cautions under the new system went (substantially) up: Chicagoland, Las Vegas, and Texas II. In all the other cases the number of cautions either stayed the same or went down.

tl,dr version: I don't think this is going to be the disaster everyone seems to think it is.

EDIT: I should note this doesn't take into account that clock cautions with less than 20 to go don't happen. Might alter the numbers further, but I don't have the time or the inclination to go through and filter them out. This is a quick and dirty comparison at best.

Wow, this is a really, really dumb idea. Come on NASCAR...

NeverNeutral wrote:So basically they're admitting that debris cautions were fake, and making it a gimmick instead?

/thread

Remember how NASCAR was trying to appeal to their fans more? Whether Brian France is directly responsible for this or not, I'm still fairly certain that the only fans he's appeasing are the electric desk fans blowing terrible ideas into his head.

Now of course I'm not surprised that NASCAR's made another stupid rule change and it's not gonna keep me from watching when I feel like, I just thought I'd address it while everyone and their mother is blowing up over this...

My Response:

NeverNeutral wrote:So basically they're admitting that debris cautions were fake, and making it a gimmick instead?

This.

I'm starting buy the Nascar wants to kill the Truck Series theory.

Basically, this is nothing more than a fancy way of segmenting the race. I'm not necessarily a fan, but I don't think it will necessarily show up nearly as much as you guys think it will. Also, I don't think NASCAR ever hid the fact that they threw debris cautions for little reason.

Please don't ruin my favourite series.

Whoops, already did.

This basically proves that Brian France is really out of touch with the sport along with the following statements.

"Without question, [2015] was one of the most exciting seasons ever"

"Attendance was up at most tracks"

"Aero packages added to better racing"

Also said that the fans have "responded positively" from the chase.

Michael29Shell wrote:This basically proves that Brian France is really out of touch with the sport along with the following statements.

"Without question, [2015] was one of the most exciting seasons ever"

"Attendance was up at most tracks"

"Aero packages added to better racing"

Also said that the fans have "responded positively" from the chase.

So in other words, he's auto racing's version of Vince McMahon.

He really needs to take off the rose-colored glasses and open his damn eyes.

PackerMan71 wrote:

Michael29Shell wrote:This basically proves that Brian France is really out of touch with the sport along with the following statements.

"Without question, [2015] was one of the most exciting seasons ever"

"Attendance was up at most tracks"

"Aero packages added to better racing"

Also said that the fans have "responded positively" from the chase.

So in other words, he's auto racing's version of Vince McMahon.

He really needs to take off the rose-colored glasses and open his damn eyes.

Pretty Much

Lucstar88 wrote:Please don't ruin my favourite series.

Whoops, already did.

So the Canadian Tire series wasn't your favorite series?

Get out of my country.

Yeah this is pretty dumb. Whelen Euro and Canadian Tire Series ftw.

bigdc48 wrote:My Response:

Agreed. I'm not sure what is the point behind this. WTF NASCAR!?

PackerMan71 wrote:

Michael29Shell wrote:This basically proves that Brian France is really out of touch with the sport along with the following statements.

"Without question, [2015] was one of the most exciting seasons ever"

"Attendance was up at most tracks"

"Aero packages added to better racing"

Also said that the fans have "responded positively" from the chase.

So in other words, he's auto racing's version of Vince McMahon.

He really needs to take off the rose-colored glasses and open his damn eyes.

That's an insult to Vince McMahon.

RealRacingRoots wrote:

Lucstar88 wrote:Please don't ruin my favourite series.

Whoops, already did.

So the Canadian Tire series wasn't your favorite series?

Get out of my country.

Yeah this is pretty dumb. Whelen Euro and Canadian Tire Series ftw.

To be fair, who even watches TSN anymore
Sportsnet really has everything now so lol

The only race i remember is the CTMP one where Ranger and Steckly wrecked each other and lost.

Michael29Shell wrote:This basically proves that Brian France is really out of touch with the sport along with the following statements.

"Without question, [2015] was one of the most exciting seasons ever"

If by exciting you mean laughing at the series breaking to pieces then sure

"Attendance was up at most tracks"

#ThanksJeff.

"Aero packages added to better racing"

The Aero Package they used for most of the year was so universally hated that the drivers even said it was garbage

Also said that the fans have "responded positively" from the chase.

Hey no matter what your parents always have your back! That's what he means by fans right?

I wish he just say 2015 was a struggle year and not try to sugarcoat it, lying just makes you look bad.

Lucstar88 wrote:

RealRacingRoots wrote:

Lucstar88 wrote:Please don't ruin my favourite series.

Whoops, already did.

So the Canadian Tire series wasn't your favorite series?

Get out of my country.

Yeah this is pretty dumb. Whelen Euro and Canadian Tire Series ftw.

To be fair, who even watches TSN anymore
Sportsnet really has everything now so lol

The only race i remember is the CTMP one where Ranger and Steckly wrecked each other and lost.

I always try and PVR Record the races when I see them; the issue is that they only show 1 hour highlights of each race like two weeks after the fact on random time slots. There were some really good races last year such as the ones at Edmonton and Auto Clearing in particular.

Also it's now called the NASCAR Pinty's Series, and the series is returning to Exhibition Place.

RealRacingRoots wrote:

Lucstar88 wrote:

RealRacingRoots wrote:

Lucstar88 wrote:Please don't ruin my favourite series.

Whoops, already did.

So the Canadian Tire series wasn't your favorite series?

Get out of my country.

Yeah this is pretty dumb. Whelen Euro and Canadian Tire Series ftw.

To be fair, who even watches TSN anymore
Sportsnet really has everything now so lol

The only race i remember is the CTMP one where Ranger and Steckly wrecked each other and lost.

I always try and PVR Record the races when I see them; the issue is that they only show 1 hour highlights of each race like two weeks after the fact on random time slots. There were some really good races last year such as the ones at Edmonton and Auto Clearing in particular.

Also it's now called the NASCAR Pinty's Series, and the series is returning to Exhibition Place.

I knew about it being Pinty's Series.
I really need to go see a race, with my grandparents, they would love that (or going to NHIS)

I consider this to be a fairly rational analogy/summation of the introduction of this rule (despite the video thumbnail, it is not a rant).