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A question about NASCAR history

Post by tommykl on Wed May 06, 2015 4:30 am

I haven't found any results using the conventional methods...

I know that in NASCAR's early days, drivers competing in NASCAR weren't allowed to compete in series sanctioned by other bodies, and I also recall this being true about the AAA championship.

My question is: when did this stop? Obviously, drivers can now take part in NASCAR, IndyCar and other series freely. Since when has this been possible?
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Re: A question about NASCAR history

Post by navycook75 on Wed May 06, 2015 5:24 am

Don't know an exact date, but Nascar drivers did run the Indy 500 (and maybe more races) as early as the 60's.
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Re: A question about NASCAR history

Post by simonracer on Thu May 07, 2015 3:43 am

tommykl wrote:

My question is: when did this stop? Obviously, drivers can now take part in NASCAR, IndyCar and other series freely. Since when has this been possible?
I'm fairly certain there were two reasons for this happening.

The first was that at some point the FIA had managed to mediate an agreement where major races such as the Indy 500 and Daytona 500 were made to require an FIA license, or were co-sanctioned by the FIA or accredited by the FIA, or something like that. Basically what that meant was that USAC and NASCAR-licensed drivers could compete in races such as those without any threat of reprimands from their sanctioning bodies. On the NASCAR side of things, this seems to have first applied in the 1963 Riverside 500 mile race, where several drivers who primarily competed in USAC competition took part. It was the same story at the Daytona 500 that same year.

The second came about as a result of a second 400-mile race at Riverside, again in 1963. Rodger Ward, Roger Penske, Dan Gurney, A.J. Foyt, Parnelli Jones and Paul Goldsmith (all USAC sanctioned drivers apparently) had been entered in the race, but USAC refused permission for them to compete. Goldsmith competed anyhow and got banned by USAC for a year. He took them to court, and although he lost the case apparently the court ruled that in future USAC drivers could not be banned for competing in NASCAR races, and vice versa.

So in short, it seems to have ended in around 1964.

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Re: A question about NASCAR history

Post by tommykl on Tue May 12, 2015 9:00 am

simonracer wrote:
tommykl wrote:

My question is: when did this stop? Obviously, drivers can now take part in NASCAR, IndyCar and other series freely. Since when has this been possible?
I'm fairly certain there were two reasons for this happening.

The first was that at some point the FIA had managed to mediate an agreement where major races such as the Indy 500 and Daytona 500 were made to require an FIA license, or were co-sanctioned by the FIA or accredited by the FIA, or something like that. Basically what that meant was that USAC and NASCAR-licensed drivers could compete in races such as those without any threat of reprimands from their sanctioning bodies. On the NASCAR side of things, this seems to have first applied in the 1963 Riverside 500 mile race, where several drivers who primarily competed in USAC competition took part. It was the same story at the Daytona 500 that same year.

The second came about as a result of a second 400-mile race at Riverside, again in 1963. Rodger Ward, Roger Penske, Dan Gurney, A.J. Foyt, Parnelli Jones and Paul Goldsmith (all USAC sanctioned drivers apparently) had been entered in the race, but USAC refused permission for them to compete. Goldsmith competed anyhow and got banned by USAC for a year. He took them to court, and although he lost the case apparently the court ruled that in future USAC drivers could not be banned for competing in NASCAR races, and vice versa.

So in short, it seems to have ended in around 1964.
So, that answers the question between USAC and NASCAR, but as early as the late 1950s, Rodger Ward and Troy Ruttman each did the occasional Formula One race. Was F1 not included in this system?
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