NASCAR at Atlanta & Canada

by bigdc48 Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:41 pm

NASCAR Sprint Cup Series and the NASCAR Nationwide Series are at the fast, tire-grinding Atlanta Motor Speedway. There are just 2 races to go til the Chase for the Cup. A win will probably get you in a safe position. The Nationwide championship gets interesting with rookie Chase Elliott and his teammate Regan Smith.

NASCAR Truck Series heads north of the border for the annual road race at Canadian Tire Motorsports Park in Bowmanville, Canada, where we saw Max Papis getting slapped by Mike Skeen's girlfriend, Elliott and Ty Dillon wrecking towards the checkers, and Quiroga, Hornaday and Buescher pretty much much messing with the wrong driver to each other.

Cup Entry: http://www.jayski.com/news/stats/2014/story/_/page/25-Atlanta-2014-Entry-List

Nationwide Entry: http://www.jayski.com/news/nationwide/2014/story/_/page/NNS-2014-24-Atlanta-Entry-List

Truck Entry: http://www.jayski.com/news/campingworld/2014/story/_/page/2014cts14canada-entry

by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) Mon Aug 25, 2014 6:42 pm

That sad lack of entries in the Truck series.

by RealRacingRoots Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:05 pm

So the three drivers doing the double at CTMP are Andrew Ranger, Tags and Ray Courtemanche Jr. Courtemanche is going to be a fun backmarker to watch, although I'm a bit disappointed JR Fitzpatrick won't be doing the Truck race.

by Alpineopossum Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:14 pm

John Jackson is back!

Come on Scotland!!!

by conrail1990 Mon Aug 25, 2014 7:31 pm

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:That sad lack of entries in the Truck series.

EFR should fund for a truck team for times like this lol.

by SpeedDemon37 Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:08 pm

I only just discovered that Taligani will be in Keselowski's #19 Ford this weekend. This will be his Truck Series debut.

by BWard Thu Aug 28, 2014 12:42 pm

I do hope this year's Truck Race at CTMP will be as good as last year's Race there, so much action an brawls after the race.

by **crl** Thu Aug 28, 2014 4:39 pm

Tony Stewart will return this weekend.

by Alta Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:16 pm

Nascar has said Tony is still chase eligible which means if he wins he's in.

by RACECAR Fri Aug 29, 2014 4:56 pm

Let me ask you guys something: in its current gimmicky state with all the unnecessary crap taken straight from stick & Ball sports as well as its flawed system, do you guys think the Cup series means anything anymore?

Personally, I kinda feel like its lost so much of it over the years that not even having far better looking cars and an increased focus on winning is enough to convince me otherwise. What's the point of working hard for those spots if all NASCAR can just plop in someone else when they feel like it?

by vbooy57 Fri Aug 29, 2014 5:56 pm

RACECAR wrote:Let me ask you guys something: in its current gimmicky state with all the unnecessary crap taken straight from stick & Ball sports as well as its flawed system, do you guys think the Cup series means anything anymore?

Personally, I kinda feel like its lost so much of it over the years that not even having far better looking cars and an increased focus on winning is enough to convince me otherwise. What's the point of working hard for those spots if all NASCAR can just plop in someone else when they feel like it?

I have to agree. I'm a big fan of Allmendinger and Almirola but they honestly do not deserve spots in the chase. Especially if they take it from someone like Ryan Newman or whoever the case may be come Richmond.

by PackerMan71 Fri Aug 29, 2014 6:52 pm

vbooy57 wrote:
RACECAR wrote:Let me ask you guys something: in its current gimmicky state with all the unnecessary crap taken straight from stick & Ball sports as well as its flawed system, do you guys think the Cup series means anything anymore?

Personally, I kinda feel like its lost so much of it over the years that not even having far better looking cars and an increased focus on winning is enough to convince me otherwise. What's the point of working hard for those spots if all NASCAR can just plop in someone else when they feel like it?
I have to agree. I'm a big fan of Allmendinger and Almirola but they honestly do not deserve spots in the chase. Especially if they take it from someone like Ryan Newman or whoever the case may be come Richmond.

Implying that Ryan Newman even deserves a spot in the chase, and considering how anonymous he's been this season (and for the past several seasons, TBH), IMO, Newman doesn't deserve a spot in the Chase.

This is case in point to why I think this format sucks balls. IMO, stick and ball playoff formats do not belong in auto racing. The only exception I'd make is drag racing, because they have to use a knockout format for each of their events. If I were NASCAR, I'd just dump the Chase entirely and return to what it once was before the Chase. I think that would make a lot of us happy.

by vbooy57 Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:30 pm

PackerMan71 wrote:
vbooy57 wrote:
RACECAR wrote:Let me ask you guys something: in its current gimmicky state with all the unnecessary crap taken straight from stick & Ball sports as well as its flawed system, do you guys think the Cup series means anything anymore?

Personally, I kinda feel like its lost so much of it over the years that not even having far better looking cars and an increased focus on winning is enough to convince me otherwise. What's the point of working hard for those spots if all NASCAR can just plop in someone else when they feel like it?
I have to agree. I'm a big fan of Allmendinger and Almirola but they honestly do not deserve spots in the chase. Especially if they take it from someone like Ryan Newman or whoever the case may be come Richmond.

Implying that Ryan Newman even deserves a spot in the chase, and considering how anonymous he's been this season (and for the past several seasons, TBH), IMO, Newman doesn't deserve a spot in the Chase.

This is case in point to why I think this format sucks balls. IMO, stick and ball playoff formats do not belong in auto racing. The only exception I'd make is drag racing, because they have to use a knockout format for each of their events. If I were NASCAR, I'd just dump the Chase entirely and return to what it once was before the Chase. I think that would make a lot of us happy.

He's 9th in points. Definitely chase worthy if we have to go with a chase format, anonymous or not.

by BWard Fri Aug 29, 2014 8:45 pm

Kevin Harvick is on the pole for the Cup Race.

by Backmarker Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:01 pm

McDowell and the 95 team get their biggest sponsor ever, and they DNQ. Mad

by PackerMan71 Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:04 pm

vbooy57 wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
vbooy57 wrote:
RACECAR wrote:Let me ask you guys something: in its current gimmicky state with all the unnecessary crap taken straight from stick & Ball sports as well as its flawed system, do you guys think the Cup series means anything anymore?

Personally, I kinda feel like its lost so much of it over the years that not even having far better looking cars and an increased focus on winning is enough to convince me otherwise. What's the point of working hard for those spots if all NASCAR can just plop in someone else when they feel like it?
I have to agree. I'm a big fan of Allmendinger and Almirola but they honestly do not deserve spots in the chase. Especially if they take it from someone like Ryan Newman or whoever the case may be come Richmond.

Implying that Ryan Newman even deserves a spot in the chase, and considering how anonymous he's been this season (and for the past several seasons, TBH), IMO, Newman doesn't deserve a spot in the Chase.

This is case in point to why I think this format sucks balls. IMO, stick and ball playoff formats do not belong in auto racing. The only exception I'd make is drag racing, because they have to use a knockout format for each of their events. If I were NASCAR, I'd just dump the Chase entirely and return to what it once was before the Chase. I think that would make a lot of us happy.
He's 9th in points. Definitely chase worthy if we have to go with a chase format, anonymous or not.

That's fine and dandy, but you and I both know that under this new system, 9th in points doesn't mean jack squat if he doesn't make it in, and he's one screwed race away from that.

Just to showcase how anonymous he's been, I had no idea he was 9th in points... nor do I care.

by **Ben Atkins** Fri Aug 29, 2014 10:23 pm

PackerMan71 wrote:
vbooy57 wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
vbooy57 wrote:
RACECAR wrote:Let me ask you guys something: in its current gimmicky state with all the unnecessary crap taken straight from stick & Ball sports as well as its flawed system, do you guys think the Cup series means anything anymore?

Personally, I kinda feel like its lost so much of it over the years that not even having far better looking cars and an increased focus on winning is enough to convince me otherwise. What's the point of working hard for those spots if all NASCAR can just plop in someone else when they feel like it?
I have to agree. I'm a big fan of Allmendinger and Almirola but they honestly do not deserve spots in the chase. Especially if they take it from someone like Ryan Newman or whoever the case may be come Richmond.

Implying that Ryan Newman even deserves a spot in the chase, and considering how anonymous he's been this season (and for the past several seasons, TBH), IMO, Newman doesn't deserve a spot in the Chase.

This is case in point to why I think this format sucks balls. IMO, stick and ball playoff formats do not belong in auto racing. The only exception I'd make is drag racing, because they have to use a knockout format for each of their events. If I were NASCAR, I'd just dump the Chase entirely and return to what it once was before the Chase. I think that would make a lot of us happy.
He's 9th in points. Definitely chase worthy if we have to go with a chase format, anonymous or not.

That's fine and dandy, but you and I both know that under this new system, 9th in points doesn't mean jack squat if he doesn't make it in, and he's one screwed race away from that.

Just to showcase how anonymous he's been, I had no idea he was 9th in points... nor do I care.

It doesn't matter how anonymous he's been. He's 9th in points, and deserves to be in the chase...

by PackerMan71 Fri Aug 29, 2014 11:03 pm

Ben Atkins wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
vbooy57 wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
vbooy57 wrote:
RACECAR wrote:Let me ask you guys something: in its current gimmicky state with all the unnecessary crap taken straight from stick & Ball sports as well as its flawed system, do you guys think the Cup series means anything anymore?

Personally, I kinda feel like its lost so much of it over the years that not even having far better looking cars and an increased focus on winning is enough to convince me otherwise. What's the point of working hard for those spots if all NASCAR can just plop in someone else when they feel like it?
I have to agree. I'm a big fan of Allmendinger and Almirola but they honestly do not deserve spots in the chase. Especially if they take it from someone like Ryan Newman or whoever the case may be come Richmond.

Implying that Ryan Newman even deserves a spot in the chase, and considering how anonymous he's been this season (and for the past several seasons, TBH), IMO, Newman doesn't deserve a spot in the Chase.

This is case in point to why I think this format sucks balls. IMO, stick and ball playoff formats do not belong in auto racing. The only exception I'd make is drag racing, because they have to use a knockout format for each of their events. If I were NASCAR, I'd just dump the Chase entirely and return to what it once was before the Chase. I think that would make a lot of us happy.
He's 9th in points. Definitely chase worthy if we have to go with a chase format, anonymous or not.

That's fine and dandy, but you and I both know that under this new system, 9th in points doesn't mean jack squat if he doesn't make it in, and he's one screwed race away from that.

Just to showcase how anonymous he's been, I had no idea he was 9th in points... nor do I care.

It doesn't matter how anonymous he's been. He's 9th in points, and deserves to be in the chase...

(sigh) Do I really have to repeat myself, or am I just not being clear with what I'm trying to say?

Yes, he's 9th in points, and good for him for being that far up, but it's not gonna mean shit if he doesn't close the deal. Just because he "deserves" to be in the Chase, doesn't mean he's "earned" it yet. He's got to keep up his pace, because one bad race, and he could be out just as quickly, and let's not forget that he doesn't have a win to fall back on.

I was referring to how anonymous he was because I really haven't noticed him near the front all that much this season, and I honestly didn't know he was that high in the points, otherwise I wouldn't have made the comment that he didn't deserve it. It's not because he's been terrible, far from it. I just haven't noticed him all that much, and quite frankly, I couldn't care less if he makes the Chase or not. If he does, good for him. If not, oh well.

by PYLrulz Sat Aug 30, 2014 3:07 am

This is why things would be better if there was no Chase

by gone-sovereign Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:17 am

Just because Newman isn't in the Chase right now doesn't mean he shouldn't be. His results right now lack polish, but his performance as far as points has improved. It's just simply that the Chase format we currently have is asinine.

(OOC: I must have edited this post at least ten times just trying to figure out what was being said. Oh well.)

by **Ben Atkins** Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:12 am

kensethfan wrote:Just because Newman isn't in the Chase right now doesn't mean he shouldn't be. His results right now lack polish, but his performance as far as points has improved. It's just simply that the Chase format we currently have is asinine.

(OOC: I must have edited this post at least ten times just trying to figure out what was being said. Oh well.)

This.

To me, it doesn't matter if you win a race. If you're 23rd in points with a win, you shouldn't be a chase contender. If, like Ryan Newman, you're consistent enough to be 9th in points coming down to the chase, then he should be in the chase.

by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) Sat Aug 30, 2014 9:14 am

>If there was no Chase in 2012, Greg Biffle would of been 19 points off being the champion.

Anonymity consistency can surprisingly go a long way.

by gone-sovereign Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:12 am

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:>If there was no Chase in 2012, Greg Biffle would of been 19 points off being the champion.

Anonymity consistency can surprisingly go a long way.

Matt Kenseth can speak for that.

by BooyakaDragon Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:49 pm

The only thing I like about the new system is the Championship race, but even then that needs adjustments. Reset the points....fine, but only reset people who are like less than a race behind so someone -60 points doesn't get in the Championship in 4th.

by PackerMan71 Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:03 pm

Ben Atkins wrote:
kensethfan wrote:Just because Newman isn't in the Chase right now doesn't mean he shouldn't be. His results right now lack polish, but his performance as far as points has improved. It's just simply that the Chase format we currently have is asinine.

(OOC: I must have edited this post at least ten times just trying to figure out what was being said. Oh well.)

This.

To me, it doesn't matter if you win a race. If you're 23rd in points with a win, you shouldn't be a chase contender. If, like Ryan Newman, you're consistent enough to be 9th in points coming down to the chase, then he should be in the chase.

That's the thing, though. This is the Chase format we have to deal with now. Yes, Newman should be in the Chase due to where he is in the points, and he would be in under the old Chase format. But because he doesn't have a win, he'd have to be one of the non-winners get in on points, and while he holds down that spot right now, all it takes is one bad race, plus a few other guys getting their first wins of the season, and he could be on the outside looking in. Hell, he could still be in the top 10 in points overall and STILL not make it in.

That's just one of the multitude of flaws that makes this Chase format so damn asinine. Another major flaw is the fact that Tony Stewart has missed the last three races due to the Kevin Ward deal, and he could still get into the Chase if he wins one of the next two races, and if he does, he could potentially win the championship this year.

See what kind of predicament that would leave NASCAR in if that were to happen? It would prove without a shadow of a doubt that the first 26 races mean even less than they did before. Hell, like Cooper once said, the first 35 races mean jack squat now. All you have to do to win the championship is win one race, Homestead, and to me, that's just fucking sad. It really is. You can't just shoehorn in a forced championship battle. It has to happen naturally in order to feel organic, and with this new format, it just feels very corporate and unorganic, and that is a real shame, considering the quality of racing that we've seen this year, but it means even less because of this Godforsaken Chase format, and it's the primary reason why I've been vehemently against this garbage gimmicky format from day one. Of course, when you have a dumbass like Brian France in charge, this is the type of crap we're gonna have to put up with.

If I were in charge of NASCAR, I'd axe this format first chance I got.

by Sparkz47 Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:37 pm

PackerMan71 wrote:That's the thing, though. This is the Chase format we have to deal with now. Yes, Newman should be in the Chase due to where he is in the points, and he would be in under the old Chase format. But because he doesn't have a win, he'd have to be one of the non-winners get in on points, and while he holds down that spot right now, all it takes is one bad race, plus a few other guys getting their first wins of the season, and he could be on the outside looking in. Hell, he could still be in the top 10 in points overall and STILL not make it in.

That's just one of the multitude of flaws that makes this Chase format so damn asinine. Another major flaw is the fact that Tony Stewart has missed the last three races due to the Kevin Ward deal, and he could still get into the Chase if he wins one of the next two races, and if he does, he could potentially win the championship this year.

See what kind of predicament that would leave NASCAR in if that were to happen? It would prove without a shadow of a doubt that the first 26 races mean even less than they did before. Hell, like Cooper once said, the first 35 races mean jack squat now. All you have to do to win the championship is win one race, Homestead, and to me, that's just fucking sad. It really is. You can't just shoehorn in a forced championship battle. It has to happen naturally in order to feel organic, and with this new format, it just feels very corporate and unorganic, and that is a real shame, considering the quality of racing that we've seen this year, but it means even less because of this Godforsaken Chase format, and it's the primary reason why I've been vehemently against this garbage gimmicky format from day one. Of course, when you have a dumbass like Brian France in charge, this is the type of crap we're gonna have to put up with.

If I were in charge of NASCAR, I'd axe this format first chance I got.

by BWard Sat Aug 30, 2014 5:51 pm

It's kind of sad thinking that the points don't really matter at all in NASCAR anymore. I wasn't that harsh on the new Chase system when it was first announced, but to me I think it's going to be a load of garbage. It's not what the Sport is is about.

by RealRacingRoots Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:31 pm

Gotta love when Business doesn't listen to what their customers want.

by **Ben Atkins** Sat Aug 30, 2014 6:57 pm

PackerMan71 wrote:
Ben Atkins wrote:
kensethfan wrote:Just because Newman isn't in the Chase right now doesn't mean he shouldn't be. His results right now lack polish, but his performance as far as points has improved. It's just simply that the Chase format we currently have is asinine.

(OOC: I must have edited this post at least ten times just trying to figure out what was being said. Oh well.)

This.

To me, it doesn't matter if you win a race. If you're 23rd in points with a win, you shouldn't be a chase contender. If, like Ryan Newman, you're consistent enough to be 9th in points coming down to the chase, then he should be in the chase.

That's the thing, though. This is the Chase format we have to deal with now. Yes, Newman should be in the Chase due to where he is in the points, and he would be in under the old Chase format. But because he doesn't have a win, he'd have to be one of the non-winners get in on points, and while he holds down that spot right now, all it takes is one bad race, plus a few other guys getting their first wins of the season, and he could be on the outside looking in. Hell, he could still be in the top 10 in points overall and STILL not make it in.

That's just one of the multitude of flaws that makes this Chase format so damn asinine. Another major flaw is the fact that Tony Stewart has missed the last three races due to the Kevin Ward deal, and he could still get into the Chase if he wins one of the next two races, and if he does, he could potentially win the championship this year.

See what kind of predicament that would leave NASCAR in if that were to happen? It would prove without a shadow of a doubt that the first 26 races mean even less than they did before. Hell, like Cooper once said, the first 35 races mean jack squat now. All you have to do to win the championship is win one race, Homestead, and to me, that's just fucking sad. It really is. You can't just shoehorn in a forced championship battle. It has to happen naturally in order to feel organic, and with this new format, it just feels very corporate and unorganic, and that is a real shame, considering the quality of racing that we've seen this year, but it means even less because of this Godforsaken Chase format, and it's the primary reason why I've been vehemently against this garbage gimmicky format from day one. Of course, when you have a dumbass like Brian France in charge, this is the type of crap we're gonna have to put up with.

If I were in charge of NASCAR, I'd axe this format first chance I got.

Now I realise what you meant before. 100% agree with you.

by PackerMan71 Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:09 pm

RealRacingRoots wrote:

Gotta love when Business doesn't listen to what their customers want.

Sounds a lot like the WWE nowadays. In fact, there are some frightening similarities between the WWE and NASCAR.

by BWard Sat Aug 30, 2014 7:35 pm

PackerMan71 wrote:
RealRacingRoots wrote:

Gotta love when Business doesn't listen to what their customers want.

Sounds a lot like the WWE nowadays. In fact, there are some frightening similarities between the WWE and NASCAR.

I don't know so much about WWE, but how is it frighteningly similar to NASCAR in a way?

by PackerMan71 Sat Aug 30, 2014 8:33 pm

BWardboy88 wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
RealRacingRoots wrote:

Gotta love when Business doesn't listen to what their customers want.

Sounds a lot like the WWE nowadays. In fact, there are some frightening similarities between the WWE and NASCAR.

I don't know so much about WWE, but how is it frighteningly similar to NASCAE in a way?

The comment you made before is one example. The fans of the WWE try to tell them what wrestlers they want to see pushed, and the WWE ignores them and continues to shove the same boring guys down their throat, which is one of the main reasons why WWE has lost so much money this year, among other reasons. The same thing applies to NASCAR. A lot of the fans didn't want this new Chase format, and NASCAR went ahead and implemented it anyway.

by PYLrulz Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:11 pm

PackerMan71 wrote:
BWardboy88 wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
RealRacingRoots wrote:

Gotta love when Business doesn't listen to what their customers want.

Sounds a lot like the WWE nowadays. In fact, there are some frightening similarities between the WWE and NASCAR.

I don't know so much about WWE, but how is it frighteningly similar to NASCAE in a way?

The comment you made before is one example. The fans of the WWE try to tell them what wrestlers they want to see pushed, and the WWE ignores them and continues to shove the same boring guys down their throat, which is one of the main reasons why WWE has lost so much money this year, among other reasons. The same thing applies to NASCAR. A lot of the fans didn't want this new Chase format, and NASCAR went ahead and implemented it anyway.

Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the fans whine about how Matt Kenesth won the championship in 2003, and wanted some of the races at the end of the season to matter?!?

Then again, that's society today. They want instant gratification, instead of waiting for those special years

by bigdc48 Sat Aug 30, 2014 10:41 pm

IMO, I think the fans don't know what they want most of the time. At first, they don't like something and complain. Someone changes it, then they like it at first, but overtime they complain about the changes.

Honestly, I didn't thought through with the new format and it's very sad that NASCAR did this.

by **crl** Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:41 am

Wow, no one brought up the Nationwide race. I'm guessing it sucked.

by BWard Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:15 am

Alex Tagliani is on Pole Position for today's truck race at Mosport.

by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:20 am

crl wrote:Wow, no one brought up the Nationwide race. I'm guessing it sucked.

Yeah wasn't a ROTY contender, that's for sure.

by Alta Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:32 pm

crl wrote:Wow, no one brought up the Nationwide race. I'm guessing it sucked.

The least said about that race the better, Worst race of the year in everything this year so far lol

by gone-sovereign Sun Aug 31, 2014 1:44 pm

Absolutely disgraceful Nationwide race last night from what I heard. I hope it doesn't speak for the Cup race, but knowing Atlanta in recent, it probably will.

>yfw this Truck race is the last NASCAR road course race of the year. Sad

by Lucstar88 Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:49 pm

These pit crews are ROTR so far :/

Cost both Ranger and Custer time, and maybe a win ugh...

by Lucstar88 Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:23 pm

It begins!!!
Custer taken out Tag
Tag done with karma... battery done

My freaking luck :/ No Canadians winning cause Ranger's crew is bad

by BWard Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:23 pm

That's karma for Tagliani.

by BWard Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:39 pm

WOAH!!!!!!!!!! EPIC FINISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Lucstar88 Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:39 pm

THAT FINISH!!!

by bigdc48 Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:41 pm

What a Hell of a finish!!! Awesome racing. Congrats Blaney.

by oxymoron Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:41 pm

Blaney is gonna go places, man.

by PackerMan71 Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:50 pm

Road course racing = gold.

by Alta Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:06 pm

Wild finish. Great win to Blaney and an awesome driver for Quiroga.

Story of two different races, Strategy race in the beginning and the usual road course chaos in the end. Good stuff.

by gone-sovereign Sun Aug 31, 2014 4:09 pm

Well, Blaney's strategy paid off, but I'll admit, I was kind of rooting for Quiroga if only because for a Spanish video project last year I won a race against the AI in NR at this track driving as Quiroga. Razz

First half of the race had some pit strategy, but it was kind of meh. Second half was awesome. Good win Blaney.

by navycook75 Sun Aug 31, 2014 5:41 pm

I forgot there was a truck race, don't know why I would forget it in the first place.

Saw the finish and Blaney times that perfectly. One hell of a finish.

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