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IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by crl on Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:15 pm

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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by Sparkz47 on Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:45 pm

Not really a big surprise, all things considered. It was a big mistake bringing open wheels there in the first place.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by flyingturns89 on Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:06 pm

Absolutely. My opinion is that the way they determine whether a track is safe or not is check how much room a track has for each car split up evenly. The way to do this is check the feet per car. The formula is the track length in feet divided by the number of cars

Ex. Indianapolis: 2.5 miles, or 13,200 feet, with 33 cars equals 400 feet per car. Vegas, however, is much less, with a mile less track, but 1 more car, it's feet per car equals just under 233 feet. From my calculations, a good amount for ovals is 300+ feet per car, which at Vegas would have been 26 cars. At 400 feet, like Indy, there would have been 19 cars. That being said, if they stuck to their word and sent cars home for a change, the races might be safer. However, that's never gonna happen.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by PYLrulz on Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:11 pm

Just stay off high banks, especially ones where you pretty much don't lift at all.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by Blake Camphausen on Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:58 pm

No complaints here. Now just keep Indycars on ovals like Indy, New Hampshire, Milwaukee and I'll be happy. Indycars + Flat ovals = YAY! Very Happy
Indycars + banked ovals = NO! Sad
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by Chives2112 on Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:09 pm

I say take them to Phoenix, but that's just me.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by Vincent Giacalone on Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:55 pm

THANK. GOD.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by pepsibottle1 on Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:25 pm

Too bad it took a fatality of one of the sport's most talented drivers and at least 5 others since 96' to get it through their thick skulls that perhaps the IRL needs to limit the high speed ovals a bit. Like Sparkz said, they had no buisness being at Vegas to begin with
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by BBoy on Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:58 pm

I'm really glad they decided to NOT come here next season.

Open Wheels + Bruton Smith Track = Always Bad.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by Blake Camphausen on Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:08 pm

Chives2112 wrote:I say take them to Phoenix, but that's just me.
THIS! Remember Kanaan Bossing it in the early 2000s at the start? Don't remember what year but he passed like 15 cars in like 2 laps.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by F1V1 on Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:26 pm

I'm not really sure I agree with this. Dan Wheldon's passing was incredibly tragic as we all understand, but IndyCar has had a LOT of good races on oval tracks like this. What they need to do is tone down the speed, that's what endangered people's lives especially with Las Vegas because it's so narrow.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by PYLrulz on Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:32 pm

F1V1 wrote:I'm not really sure I agree with this. Dan Wheldon's passing was incredibly tragic as we all understand, but IndyCar has had a LOT of good races on oval tracks like this. What they need to do is tone down the speed, that's what endangered people's lives especially with Las Vegas because it's so narrow.

And potentially bunch up the cars that are already prone to ramping off of one another if they crash?!? I don't think so!
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by f1fan12 on Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:04 am

TMS has its head on the chopping block now. And I don't see it on the schedule next year.

When are they revamping Kansas because Kansas now wouldn't be bad.
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Im going out on a limb here, but Pocono, (If they would have to brake)

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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by PYLrulz on Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:00 am

I wouldn't mind Pocono. Its flat, Indy Cars were also in mind for the facility, I say give it a shot.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by Tanrar on Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:06 am

Thank god. It was a recipe for disaster to bring 33 cars on a 1.5 mile track that's WAY too narrow for the kind of racing they do.

I think it'd be cool to see IndyCar run at Circuit of the Americas, if the F1 race isn't a glorified crash comp.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by conrail1990 on Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:19 am

PYLrulz wrote:I wouldn't mind Pocono. Its flat, Indy Cars were also in mind for the facility, I say give it a shot.
Oh god No!
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by Chives2112 on Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:20 am

Awww, Texas is the closest IndyCar race for me. Oh well, I'll at least watch the whole season next year.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by pepsibottle1 on Fri Dec 09, 2011 8:04 am

conrail1990 wrote:
PYLrulz wrote:I wouldn't mind Pocono. Its flat, Indy Cars were also in mind for the facility, I say give it a shot.
Oh god No!

Yeah Connie, Pocono isn't necessarly as terrible as you would think that it is. CART ran there from 71' to 89' and the track is fairly flat and wide for high speed open wheel racing. I'd like to see it again TBH if Pocono can get the safety improvements in progress done

Texas has no need on the schedule and you would have thought that 2001 would had proven that. I hate that damn track. You can agrue that the IRL cars have less downforce than the CART cars but still, it's just common sense that open wheel cars have no reason to be on a high banked oval.

And lol, guess what? Bruton Smith is throwing a piss fit because IRL is leaving and that he expected them to return. What a psychopath.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by JMac525 on Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:56 am

I agree with the pro-Pocono statement. I think that would be a solid race.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by f1fan12 on Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:51 pm

The issue with Pocono is, remember Eurospeedway Lautzits for CART. Also, they seem worried about TMS, But what about Fontana? I am worried about that race too.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by AntmanB on Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:21 pm

indycar at pocono> nascar at pocono
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by Blake Camphausen on Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:52 pm

pepsibottle1 wrote:
conrail1990 wrote:
PYLrulz wrote:I wouldn't mind Pocono. Its flat, Indy Cars were also in mind for the facility, I say give it a shot.
Oh god No!
it's just common sense that open wheel cars have no reason to be on a high banked oval.
Couldn't agree more.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by Mother of Invention on Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:02 pm

oh Lord how fast would they be going on the straights at Pocono? 240-250?
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by PYLrulz on Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:30 pm

Mother of Invention wrote:oh Lord how fast would they be going on the straights at Pocono? 240-250?

But the thing is, they could be able to spread out easy, and there is lots of room.

I would like to see maybe 10 or 20 mph lopped off that, but high speeds with a spread out field is far more easier to take than high speeds in one huge wad.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by racingfreak1999 on Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:37 am

I agree with the fact that IndyCar should have never raced at Vegas in the first place(at least not with a 34 car field). There was way too little room for that many cars. Other 1.5 races like Texas and Kentucky were different in the fact that they
1: didn't have as many cars in the race
2: aren't as narrow as Vegas(I think).

I say if the circumstances are right, 1.5 mile tracks can be not as dangerous. But that doesn't change the fact that the whole weekend should have never happened and I think it's sad that it took the death of an iconic racer for IndyCar to realize that.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by Chives2112 on Sat Dec 10, 2011 1:53 am

I mean, both Texas races ran with 1 caution this year, so I think it's just the track (Las Vegas) that was the problem. Though, I'm probably just echoing what everyone here is saying.


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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by PYLrulz on Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:53 am

Texas has had some pretty wicked crashes, Atlanta had a wicked crash in the one IRL race that was ran there.

High banked ovals are just not the place for these cars, especially when they hardly lift the throttle, if at all
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by crl on Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:17 am

PYLrulz wrote:Texas has had some pretty wicked crashes, Atlanta had a wicked crash in the one IRL race that was ran there.

High banked ovals are just not the place for these cars, especially when they hardly lift the throttle, if at all

IRL ran four races at Atlanta. It's just that last one was memorable because the others were pretty much crap. OK, they were all crap, but the wreck in '01 makes the race stand out.
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Re: IndyCar won't run Vegas in 2012

Post by pepsibottle1 on Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:17 pm

I don't think it helps either that up until now that all the cars were exactly the same. I think that the different engine types and aero packages will help spread the competition out. Spec cars have the sane effect as restrictor plates; they keep the racing close and bunched
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