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Post by crl on Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:48 am

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/tim_tuttle/11/30/kurt.busch.done.at.penske.racing/index.html#ixzz1fEazBjfn

I say 7.5.
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by Alta on Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:18 am

2.5

Why would Penske drop the #1 driver of the team (unless BK starts destroying again next season)
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by crl on Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:30 am

Here's the scary paragraph:

Tim Tuttle wrote:If Penske does let Busch go, there are no drivers available who could replace his credentials. Candidates would include Brian Vickers, who has made the Chase once, has two Cup victories and is a Nationwide champion; David Reutimann, who has two Cup wins; David Ragan, who won his first Cup race this season and finished 23rd in points; and Casey Mears, who has one Cup victory and is the nephew of Rick Mears, four-time winner of the Indy 500 and a member of the Penske organization since 1978.

If one of those four had to replace Busch, I'm voting Reutimann.
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by PYLrulz on Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:35 am

I say a 2. Kurt's actions have paled in comparison to his younger brother... hell, compared to his younger brother, he has been a saint. Unless there is more going on that we don't know about, or Pennzoil/Shell is making some kind of ultimatium, I highly doubt Busch would be a goner at Penske
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by day500champ1 on Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:47 am

At this point, I'd say 4. The obvious question being who would be qualified to take Kurt's place? I know they listed some driver, but the way they have performed it wouldn't make seen. Than again stranger things have happened like Bowyer leaving RCR for MWR.
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by f1fan12 on Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:32 am

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Kurt Busch is different from his brother. Kurt rages at people when they need to be raged at, not when somthing doesn't go his way, like another driver with the initals, KB.
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by Chives2112 on Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:19 am

f1fan12 wrote:.1329340538372303803

Kurt Busch is different from his brother. Kurt rages at people when they need to be raged at, not when somthing doesn't go his way, like another driver with the initals, KB.
Nah, Kurt rages at everything if you've ever listened to his radio communications.
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Post by Nextelracer on Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:14 am

5 Mulherns.
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by Cardinals5 on Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:16 am

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Post by AntmanB on Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:08 pm

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by racingfreak1999 on Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:42 pm

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by Mystrsyko on Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:09 pm

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Penske would not fire Kurt unless Shell/Pennzoil threatened to leave. They'd be stuck hiring some backmarker then, who would then piss off the sponsors with their poor performance. Lose-Lose. Their best bet is to just get Kurt's performance back up.

More interestingly, where would Kurt go if they were to fire him?
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by AntmanB on Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:37 pm

Ragan's Probably going to TRG, so maybe to back up Waltrip and Martin at MWR.
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by Rykia on Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:18 pm

3

Possible, not likely.
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by flyingturns89 on Thu Dec 01, 2011 6:55 pm

7, and the reason I picked this number is because it's the number of years since Kurt, or for that matter anyone not in a Chevy, won the championship. Also, because it's absolutely ridiculous that someone would do what he did, no matter who it is he did it to, even a bonehead like Punch. And for those of you who haven't seen what he did watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsaBQq5D4Zg

Also, he really hasn't done much at Penske. Sure he wins a race or two every year, but look at other finishes. Plus, in six years at Penske, he's finished Top 10 in points twice.
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by navycook75 on Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:35 pm

this is as likely as TJ Bell winning a race.
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by JMac525 on Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:43 pm

4

I don't think any other drivers without a ride currently are as qualified as Kurt for this ride.
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by antknee on Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:16 pm

I say 8 and Reuti will replace him. This isn't an isolated incident, this type of thing occurs every week with this guy. He's able to turn it off and on for the interview to display what he needs to be publicy.

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by Rykia on Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:02 pm

Kurt's now seeing a sports psychologist, apparently, to help his anger management. Top of the latest news page on Jayski.
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by Chives2112 on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:02 pm

Actually, read this everyone...

http://www.thatsracin.com/2011/12/04/80040/penske-racing-fires-kurt-busch.html
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by crl on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:03 pm

All right, Captain Roger, put Reutimann in the car.

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by navycook75 on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:05 pm

Chives2112 wrote:Actually, read this everyone...

http://www.thatsracin.com/2011/12/04/80040/penske-racing-fires-kurt-busch.html
now only if Gibbs can do the same thing to Kyle....
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by Cardinals5 on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:12 pm

navycook75 wrote:
Chives2112 wrote:Actually, read this everyone...

http://www.thatsracin.com/2011/12/04/80040/penske-racing-fires-kurt-busch.html
now only if Gibbs can do the same thing to Kyle....
My thoughts exactly
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by Guest on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:16 pm

I'm hoping to see Reutimann in the ride Smile

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Post by Chives2112 on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:17 pm

And to think that most of us thought he would stay. Laughing
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by antknee on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:22 pm

antknee wrote:I say 8 and Reuti will replace him. This isn't an isolated incident, this type of thing occurs every week with this guy. He's able to turn it off and on for the interview to display what he needs to be publicy.

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by crl on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:26 pm

The question is now, what becomes of Kurt? This is twice he's been fired for poor off-track behavior. I can't imagine any top team picking him up.

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Post by Cardinals5 on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:31 pm

crl wrote:The question is now, what becomes of Kurt? This is twice he's been fired for poor off-track behavior. I can't imagine any top team picking him up.

Maybe he winds up with whatever becomes of Red Bull
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Post by PKligBKFan on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:31 pm

crl wrote:The question is now, what becomes of Kurt? This is twice he's been fired for poor off-track behavior. I can't imagine any top team picking him up.

There is no top team to pick him up. He basically has to start his own team in order to have a competitive ride in Cup next year.
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by crl on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:38 pm

Cardinals5 wrote:
crl wrote:The question is now, what becomes of Kurt? This is twice he's been fired for poor off-track behavior. I can't imagine any top team picking him up.

Maybe he winds up with whatever becomes of Red Bull

That might be his best hope. If not, probably some start-and-park.
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Post by Guest on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:39 pm

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crl wrote:The question is now, what becomes of Kurt? This is twice he's been fired for poor off-track behavior. I can't imagine any top team picking him up.

There is no top team to pick him up. He basically has to start his own team in order to have a competitive ride in Cup next year.
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by Chives2112 on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:42 pm

Brian Keselowski said that he would love to drive the #22 on Facebook. He could be joking, but you never know.
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Post by navycook75 on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:45 pm

Chives2112 wrote:Brian Keselowski said that he would love to drive the #22 on Facebook. He could be joking, but you never know.
Coming to a team near you....

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by crl on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:50 pm

navycook75 wrote:
Chives2112 wrote:Brian Keselowski said that he would love to drive the #22 on Facebook. He could be joking, but you never know.
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by navycook75 on Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:53 pm

crl wrote:
navycook75 wrote:
Chives2112 wrote:Brian Keselowski said that he would love to drive the #22 on Facebook. He could be joking, but you never know.
Coming to a team near you....

Super Keselowski Bros!

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by Vincent Giacalone on Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:15 pm

Dear Penske: Hire Ward Burton and my gratitude shall be eternal.
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Post by JMac525 on Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:28 pm

Anyone think he'll bring Sam Hornish Jr. back to the Sprint Cup? (driving the #22) I remember reading Penske said he wanted to get him back in if he could find proper sponsorship.
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Post by PYLrulz on Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:29 pm

crl wrote:
navycook75 wrote:
Chives2112 wrote:Brian Keselowski said that he would love to drive the #22 on Facebook. He could be joking, but you never know.
Coming to a team near you....

Super Keselowski Bros!


YES, PLEASE!!! Laughing
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by Cynon on Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:38 pm

The difference between Joe Gibbs and Roger Penske is that Roger Penske has standards for behavior, whereas Gibbs doesn't. I have a feeling that Roger Penske will try and worm Allmendinger out of his contract and get him in the 22 car. If not, then Reutimann or Vickers could be used as placeholders.

I hope that Penske has more common sense then to sign Ragan, though...

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Post by Alpineopossum on Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:04 am

Cynon wrote:The difference between Joe Gibbs and Roger Penske is that Roger Penske has standards for behavior, whereas Gibbs doesn't. I have a feeling that Roger Penske will try and worm Allmendinger out of his contract and get him in the 22 car. If not, then Reutimann or Vickers could be used as placeholders.

I hope that Penske has more common sense then to sign Ragan, though...
^ this
Penske is known for wanting his drivers to be gentlemen off the track. Keselowski has become a much cleaner driver recently and a much better behaived one. And he is a faster driver because of it. Kurt though never matured and now he finally gets fired for it- again. My guess is that Sam Hornish will get the ride, but Reutimann might get it as well. There are also several good Nationwide drivers that should get promoted.
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Post by Alta on Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:00 am

What makes this upsetting is Kyle keeps his ride when he did so much worse then Kurt. I know it's typical Roger Penske not putting up with crap, but you pretty much just fired your #1 driver right there. (I have hope for Kez, but you never know what will happen)

For the ride, Smith or Allmendinger via Penske helping them out of there contracts, Hornish pulling full-time in both series, Reutimann getting a chance in top-tier material, Dave Blaney and Brian Keselowski via wishful thinking.
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Post by Tanrar on Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:05 am

Apparantly I'm not the only person who wants to see Brian Keselowski in the 22.

As for Kurt Busch, I know he'll find a way back, but this is honestly the greatest thing to happen in NASCAR in a long time. Though one has to wonder where this will lead Kurt Busch. If he goes to Gibbs, I'll facepalm so hard, I'll probably have a hand sticking out of the back of my head.
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Post by antknee on Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:54 am

it'll most likely be Hornish, Penske had been saying that he wanted to get him back into Cup full-time. outside of that i can only see Reutimann.

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by Alpineopossum on Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:07 am

Jayski wrote:Speculation points to David Ragan as the leading candidate for the job. Ragan spent the 2011 season with Roush Fenway Racing, but his future has been in doubt since the team lost sponsorship for next season. He earned his first career Sprint Cup victory this season, at Daytona International Speedway. Other candidates for the job include David Reutimann and Brian Vickers  two drivers who drove in the Sprint Cup Series this past season but are without a ride for 2012  and Sam Hornish Jr., who has previously driven for Penske at the Sprint Cup level.(FoxSports)(12-4-2011)

Oh no.
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Post by Tanrar on Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:08 am

Alpineopossum wrote:
Jayski wrote:Speculation points to David Ragan as the leading candidate for the job. Ragan spent the 2011 season with Roush Fenway Racing, but his future has been in doubt since the team lost sponsorship for next season. He earned his first career Sprint Cup victory this season, at Daytona International Speedway. Other candidates for the job include David Reutimann and Brian Vickers  two drivers who drove in the Sprint Cup Series this past season but are without a ride for 2012  and Sam Hornish Jr., who has previously driven for Penske at the Sprint Cup level.(FoxSports)(12-4-2011)

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Post by Alta on Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:14 am

Alpineopossum wrote:
Jayski wrote:Speculation points to David Ragan as the leading candidate for the job. Ragan spent the 2011 season with Roush Fenway Racing, but his future has been in doubt since the team lost sponsorship for next season. He earned his first career Sprint Cup victory this season, at Daytona International Speedway. Other candidates for the job include David Reutimann and Brian Vickers  two drivers who drove in the Sprint Cup Series this past season but are without a ride for 2012  and Sam Hornish Jr., who has previously driven for Penske at the Sprint Cup level.(FoxSports)(12-4-2011)

Oh no.
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by crl on Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:19 am

Alpineopossum wrote:
Jayski wrote:Speculation points to David Ragan as the leading candidate for the job. Ragan spent the 2011 season with Roush Fenway Racing, but his future has been in doubt since the team lost sponsorship for next season. He earned his first career Sprint Cup victory this season, at Daytona International Speedway. Other candidates for the job include David Reutimann and Brian Vickers  two drivers who drove in the Sprint Cup Series this past season but are without a ride for 2012  and Sam Hornish Jr., who has previously driven for Penske at the Sprint Cup level.(FoxSports)(12-4-2011)

Oh no.

Oh, God. Penske may as well shut down the 22 team.
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Post by PYLrulz on Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:37 am

Ragan must have good skills to be a leading candidate for a ride, and I don't mean racing skills either.
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Post by conrail1990 on Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:31 am

Kurt, not only did you get fired, but now you may be replaced by a driver who dosent deserve the ride. No
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Re: Scale of 1 to 10, how much do you believe this?

Post by PKligBKFan on Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:36 am

Alpineopossum wrote:
Jayski wrote:Speculation points to David Ragan as the leading candidate for the job. Ragan spent the 2011 season with Roush Fenway Racing, but his future has been in doubt since the team lost sponsorship for next season. He earned his first career Sprint Cup victory this season, at Daytona International Speedway. Other candidates for the job include David Reutimann and Brian Vickers  two drivers who drove in the Sprint Cup Series this past season but are without a ride for 2012  and Sam Hornish Jr., who has previously driven for Penske at the Sprint Cup level.(FoxSports)(12-4-2011)

Oh no.

This speculation has also been towards what fans want to see. It has nothing to do with anything Penske has said.
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