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Post by The_Wall_91 on Mon Aug 29, 2016 9:54 pm

The 2016 F1 season enters the 2/3 point as we head to Monza. There are a few stories to get to Ferrari try to defend their homeland.

We Have a Drivers Championship

After the round of Spa taken by Nico Rosberg, Nico brought teammate Lewis Hamilton's lead to just 9 points with only 7 races to go. It seems that Nico is giving his teammate all he has in trying to win his first ever drivers championship.

McLaren is Coming

The team that seemed to gain the most on the field was McLaren. Even though Fernando Alonso had to start in the back, he was able to bring his Honda powered McLaren to finish well inside the points. McLaren has made several significant gains this season which could lead to the resurrection of the powerful McLaren team.

Is Manor Going to Catch the Midfield?

Besides McLaren, the other team that is noticeably on the rise is the Manor team. Ever since Manor entered F1 in 2010, they have been the laughing stock of F1 along with the 2 fellow teams they entered with that are non-existant in F1 (aka HRT and Caterham). With the recent edition of former F3 champion Esteban Ocon, they seem to be getting serious about putting a competitive car on track.

The Health of Kevin Magnusson

On lap 7 of the Spa GP, Renault driver Kevin Magnusson had a serious accident coming out of Eau Rouge. His Renault got loose, he over corrected, and slammed the tire wall. Kevin came out of the car limping but it was reported that he was taken to a local hospital for further evaluation. Thankfully, Kevin didn't suffer any injuries.

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Re: 2016 Italian GP

Post by RetrogradeRenegade on Tue Aug 30, 2016 1:31 am

Alonso only finished as high as he did thanks to the chaos of the start which enabled him to start 4th after the red flag. If he hadn't likely the best he would've finished was 10th. I wouldn't expect a decent haul of points at Monza for McLaren unless something similar happens.
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Re: 2016 Italian GP

Post by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) on Thu Sep 01, 2016 8:03 am

Felipe Massa has announced his retirement at the end of the season.
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Post by Alta on Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:47 pm

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Felipe Massa has announced his retirement at the end of the season.
I figured he was out of Williams at the end of the year but man did i not expect retirement.
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Post by PRAWBLEMS on Thu Sep 01, 2016 6:22 pm

Alta wrote:
Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Felipe Massa has announced his retirement at the end of the season.
I figured he was out of Williams at the end of the year but man did i not expect retirement.
Massa before Alonso, Raikkonen, or Button. Who would've guessed? In all fairness, he has had his share of injuries.
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Post by RetrogradeRenegade on Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:08 pm

I'm surprised he's lasted this long, to be honest. I wouldn't have touched him with a 10-foot barge pole after his atrocious start to 2012 (he failed to score a point in any of Alonso's wins, and not due to DNFs). While he's stacked up decently against Bottas, I get the feeling that Bottas is one of those drivers that would perform better against a strong teammate. We've seen that with Ricciardo - he's performing better now with Verstappen to push him than he did with Kvyat. Button or Perez should be able to fit that role well... though honestly if I was either driver, with Williams on the downslide, I'd stick with my current drive.

In this case, who could replace Massa? In terms of junior drivers, Alex Lynn has been quite disappointing in GP2 this year, Lance Stroll has improved in F3 but is still not in the same time zone as ready for F1. I remember Marcus Ericsson saying he had something like 3 options for F1 drives in 2017, and Williams might find some use for his Swedish monies. Alternatively, Mercedes could decide to move Pascal Wehrlein up the grid in exchange for an engine discount. And if Button stays in McLaren, that would open the door for Stoffel Vandoorne, who has stated he may well leave McLaren if he doesn't get a race seat with them for 2017.
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Post by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) on Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:11 pm

RetrogradeRenegade wrote:I'm surprised he's lasted this long, to be honest. I wouldn't have touched him with a 10-foot barge pole after his atrocious start to 2012 (he failed to score a point in any of Alonso's wins, and not due to DNFs). While he's stacked up decently against Bottas, I get the feeling that Bottas is one of those drivers that would perform better against a strong teammate. We've seen that with Ricciardo - he's performing better now with Verstappen to push him than he did with Kvyat. Button or Perez should be able to fit that role well... though honestly if I was either driver, with Williams on the downslide, I'd stick with my current drive.

In this case, who could replace Massa? In terms of junior drivers, Alex Lynn has been quite disappointing in GP2 this year, Lance Stroll has improved in F3 but is still not in the same time zone as ready for F1. I remember Marcus Ericsson saying he had something like 3 options for F1 drives in 2017, and Williams might find some use for his Swedish monies. Alternatively, Mercedes could decide to move Pascal Wehrlein up the grid in exchange for an engine discount. And if Button stays in McLaren, that would open the door for Stoffel Vandoorne, who has stated he may well leave McLaren if he doesn't get a race seat with them for 2017.
I've heard Button goes to Williams for a retirement tour in 2017, and replaced by Alex Lynn in 2018.
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Post by The_Wall_91 on Sat Sep 03, 2016 11:40 am

A Haas car made it to Q3 and it wasn't Romain Grosjean driving it

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Post by RetrogradeRenegade on Sat Sep 03, 2016 11:51 am

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:I've heard Button goes to Williams for a retirement tour in 2017, and replaced by Alex Lynn in 2018.

Scratch the Button to Williams deal, he's going on sabbatical for 2017. Vandoorne gets the promotion he duly deserves

As for the spare Williams seat, on paper it should be a slam dunk for Alex Lynn, but he's been quite disappointing this season. If I were Claire Williams, I'd give Marcus Ericsson a shot - he has money and has been outperforming Nasr this season.
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Post by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) on Sat Sep 03, 2016 11:53 am

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:
RetrogradeRenegade wrote:I'm surprised he's lasted this long, to be honest. I wouldn't have touched him with a 10-foot barge pole after his atrocious start to 2012 (he failed to score a point in any of Alonso's wins, and not due to DNFs). While he's stacked up decently against Bottas, I get the feeling that Bottas is one of those drivers that would perform better against a strong teammate. We've seen that with Ricciardo - he's performing better now with Verstappen to push him than he did with Kvyat. Button or Perez should be able to fit that role well... though honestly if I was either driver, with Williams on the downslide, I'd stick with my current drive.

In this case, who could replace Massa? In terms of junior drivers, Alex Lynn has been quite disappointing in GP2 this year, Lance Stroll has improved in F3 but is still not in the same time zone as ready for F1. I remember Marcus Ericsson saying he had something like 3 options for F1 drives in 2017, and Williams might find some use for his Swedish monies. Alternatively, Mercedes could decide to move Pascal Wehrlein up the grid in exchange for an engine discount. And if Button stays in McLaren, that would open the door for Stoffel Vandoorne, who has stated he may well leave McLaren if he doesn't get a race seat with them for 2017.
I've heard Button goes to Williams for a retirement tour in 2017, and replaced by Alex Lynn in 2018.
Well this ain't happening. McLaren announce Stoffol Vandorrne to replace Button in 2017, but Button will stick with the team and I guess a Senior Adviser role of sorts. Some suggestions I've read are Button takes a year off, and simply goes back in in 2018 after Alonso retires.

Another suggested rumour (by David Croft) is that Daniel Kyvat could leave Red Bull and replace Massa at Williams.
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Post by RetrogradeRenegade on Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:13 pm

I don't think any team boss in the world would hire Kvyat at this stage. Certainly nobody in F1.
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Post by Alta on Sat Sep 03, 2016 3:26 pm

RetrogradeRenegade wrote:I don't think any team boss in the world would hire Kvyat at this stage. Certainly nobody in F1.
To be honest i feel a lot of his heat has moved over to Verstappen, and with all the depressing interview as of late, A move i think would be the absolute best for him
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Post by Rovenami on Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:56 am

Nother F1 race, another bad start for Hamilton and another win for Rosberg and Mercedes.
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Post by RetrogradeRenegade on Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:01 am

Things to take away from Monza: Daniel Ricciardo is unarguably the singlest greatest overtaker to have ever lived (he pulled one hell of a late overtake on Bottas for 5th), and Alonso somehow set fastest lap at Monza in a McLaren-Honda (he switched to a set of super softs with 2 laps left).
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Post by bsoyuz on Sun Sep 04, 2016 10:53 am

The McLaren has been steadily evolving. They're still meh, but it can do a thing or two in the right conditions.

If Nasr is the only brazilian in F1 by 2019, I expect the interest dropping even more than it has in the last few years. Barrichello was the only thing pulling ratings until 2007, then Massa started going well, 2009 with Barrichello achieving Brazil's 100th F1 win was the pinnacle, after that, the interest just went downhill. Despite not liking Massa, he was one of the major reasons I was still pulling myself to follow F1. Hopefully someone can be the fast hue again.
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Post by PYLrulz on Sun Sep 04, 2016 12:30 pm

bsoyuz wrote:The McLaren has been steadily evolving. They're still meh, but it can do a thing or two in the right conditions.

If Nasr is the only brazilian in F1 by 2019, I expect the interest dropping even more than it has in the last few years. Barrichello was the only thing pulling ratings until 2007, then Massa started going well, 2009 with Barrichello achieving Brazil's 100th F1 win was the pinnacle, after that, the interest just went downhill. Despite not liking Massa, he was one of the major reasons I was still pulling myself to follow F1. Hopefully someone can be the fast hue again.

And considering that Helio is getting near the retirement age in IndyCar... it's gonna be lean times for Brazilian racing unless someone can step it up.
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