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Post by PYLrulz on Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:21 am

Anybody watching the MotoGP race at Malaysia on TV? They just had a nasty crash, and it appeared someone's helmet flew off in the process (I had caught the tail end of the crash). I hope to god nothing bad has happened.
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Post by PYLrulz on Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:26 am

The looks on the pit land too just look eerily similar to when Wheldon crashed. I don't think this is going to be good Sad

Update: They canceled the race. The rider in question is Marco Simoncelli.
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Post by tommykl on Sun Oct 23, 2011 4:59 am

Colin Edwards reportedly has a dislocated shoulder, while Simoncelli is fighting for his life Sad

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/23102011/58/simoncelli-fighting-life-crash.html
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Post by PYLrulz on Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:06 am

Thanks for the update. Was looking at the MotoGP site, and they had nothing about it, or at least anything regarding the race.
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Post by albox6 on Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:17 am

It's Over.. Simocelli Died as results of his injuries.....
R.I.P Marco Sad

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Post by bartman97 on Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:23 am

RIP Marco Simoncelli
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Post by PYLrulz on Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:24 am

It's bad enough when it happens once, but in the span of 7 days?!?

RIP Marco Sad

Edit (something to add): I'm not trying to make funny, or mock the situations or anything of the sort. The odd thing with the past week has been, the very night before Dan Wheldon's death, something drew me to read about the Dale Earnhardt and Ayrton Senna deaths. This past week, I had a dream that I was watching a motorcycle race on TV (not this exact one, but just one in general), and something like that happened in my dream. As I said, not trying to make funny or mock the situation, but it's just generally freaky with all of that.


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Post by Nascar9fan on Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:31 am

PYLrulz wrote:It's bad enough when it happens once, but in the span of 7 days?!?

RIP Marco Sad



Like I said with Wheldon's crash, racing is becoming unsafe with the high speeds & lack of safety for the high speed crashes in most veichles.

RIP Marco
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Post by Cynon on Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:41 am

Unfortunate timing creates a double tragedy.

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Re: MotoGP bad crash

Post by PYLrulz on Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:43 am

Nascar9fan wrote:
PYLrulz wrote:It's bad enough when it happens once, but in the span of 7 days?!?

RIP Marco Sad



Like I said with Wheldon's crash, racing is becoming unsafe with the high speeds & lack of safety for the high speed crashes in most veichles.

RIP Marco

The thing was, with Simonelli's crash, it wasn't as much the speed (it happened in a slower corner), it was just one of the drivers (Edwards I believe) that couldn't react quick enough. I can't imagine being him right now. I would think it's one thing where you trigger an accident (through no fault of ones own, due to racing conditions) that eventually took ones life, but to be the person that (obviously unintentionally) took the life of a fellow competitor. I just can't imagine the feeling he could be going through right now)
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Post by Alta on Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:17 am

Another Tragedy falls upon the motorsports community, and in the worse possible timeframe.

RIP Marco Simoncelli.
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Post by bartman97 on Sun Oct 23, 2011 6:46 am

Nascar9fan wrote:
PYLrulz wrote:It's bad enough when it happens once, but in the span of 7 days?!?

RIP Marco Sad



Like I said with Wheldon's crash, racing is becoming unsafe with the high speeds & lack of safety for the high speed crashes in most veichles.

RIP Marco

As what PYLrulz said, speed was not a factor at all in this crash. Simoncelli came back on the racing line at the wrong time and Colin Edwards had nowhere to go but to unfortunately drill Simoncelli in the head. Edwards as you can see jams his arm between something on Simoncelli's bike and dislocates his shoulder in the process. Again as what PYLrulz said about being Edwards at this point, I would not want to be him in any way.
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Post by Mystrsyko on Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:06 am

PYLrulz wrote:It's bad enough when it happens once, but in the span of 7 days?!?

RIP Marco Sad

Edit (something to add): I'm not trying to make funny, or mock the situations or anything of the sort. The odd thing with the past week has been, the very night before Dan Wheldon's death, something drew me to read about the Dale Earnhardt and Ayrton Senna deaths. This past week, I had a dream that I was watching a motorcycle race on TV (not this exact one, but just one in general), and something like that happened in my dream. As I said, not trying to make funny or mock the situation, but it's just generally freaky with all of that.
the day before Vegas i suddenly got the urge to go through youtube a watch various fatal crashes over again. it was eery going through my viewing history because it all lined up. mark porter, mike burgmann, then dan wheldon. now marco simoncelli.

this has been a terrible past week. dan wheldon, rick huseman, marco simoncelli. i'm not sure how much more we can take
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Post by teamwhiper on Sun Oct 23, 2011 8:46 am

There wasn't much speed involved,the extent of the wreckage was not huge.It was just like what happened to Shoya Tomizawa(killed last year at Misano).Just an innocent victim making a small mistake that led to tragic consequences.Had that happened in the back of the pack,he would have slid into the barrier,stood up and walked away.just a shame that Edwards and Rossi had to be there at the exact time he made the little error.

R.I.P Marco Simoncelli Crying or Very sad
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Post by Blake Camphausen on Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:27 am

R.I.P. Marco Simoncelli. I never watched MotoGP, but its still sad to see someone go before their time.
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Post by Chives2112 on Sun Oct 23, 2011 10:07 am

Gosh, that's sad. I never watched MotoGP, but those guys have a lot of guts in order to race those motorcycles.

My thoughts go out to Marco Simoncelli's family and friends.

R.I.P. Marco Simoncelli.
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Post by crl on Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:37 pm

teamwhiper wrote:There wasn't much speed involved,the extent of the wreckage was not huge.It was just like what happened to Shoya Tomizawa(killed last year at Misano).Just an innocent victim making a small mistake that led to tragic consequences.Had that happened in the back of the pack,he would have slid into the barrier,stood up and walked away.just a shame that Edwards and Rossi had to be there at the exact time he made the little error.

R.I.P Marco Simoncelli Crying or Very sad

Same thing that happened to Peter Lenz, that 14-year-old who was killed warming up at Indy the week before Tomizawa's fatal crash.
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Post by Rykia on Sun Oct 23, 2011 12:40 pm

R.I.P. Marco Simoncelli

I watched MotoGP enough to know Casey Roderick was my favorite driver. Regardless, rest in peace. Man, they just keep comin.
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Post by F1V1 on Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:49 pm

Nascar9fan wrote:Like I said with Wheldon's crash, racing is becoming unsafe with the high speeds & lack of safety for the high speed crashes in most veichles.

RIP Marco

Has racing ever been safe? There's always the chance of injury or death when dealing with heavy machinery. It's just a part of the sport, like it or not, and people need to accept that if they're going to watch it.

I don't really watch MotoGP all that often but it was surprising when I heard that Carrottop (Simoncelli) died. It was a horrible accident, but he went out quickly and probably didn't feel a thing which is what most people would prefer to have as their death, plus he was doing what he loved to do. Rest In Peace Marco Simoncelli.
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Post by Racerfan275 on Sun Oct 23, 2011 1:58 pm

Dang, two fatalities in one week.
R.I.P. Marco Simoncelli Sad

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Post by Woody on Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:08 pm

RIP Marco Simoncelli

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Post by Mystrsyko on Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:22 pm

F1V1 wrote:
Has racing ever been safe? There's always the chance of injury or death when dealing with heavy machinery. It's just a part of the sport, like it or not, and people need to accept that if they're going to watch it.
you speak the truth, but when was the last time we lost two drivers in the span of a week? 1994?
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Re: MotoGP bad crash

Post by PYLrulz on Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:19 pm

Mystrsyko wrote:
F1V1 wrote:
Has racing ever been safe? There's always the chance of injury or death when dealing with heavy machinery. It's just a part of the sport, like it or not, and people need to accept that if they're going to watch it.
you speak the truth, but when was the last time we lost two drivers in the span of a week? 1994?

Agreed. With stock cars, Indy cars, race tracks, you can do a lot, but with motorcycles, it's pretty much man, track, and bike, and only the track can be made safer under certain situations. This, like I said, was one of those deals where no matter what you do, the consequences were probably going to be deadly no matter what.
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Post by FlashRod4 on Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:45 pm

You've got to be F&^$#)ing kidding me.
2 in one week?
I thought racing was safe but apparently that doesn't go for all of racing.
RIP Dan Wheldon(1978-2011), Marco Simoncelli(1987-2011)
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Post by F1V1 on Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:24 pm

Mystrsyko wrote:
F1V1 wrote:
Has racing ever been safe? There's always the chance of injury or death when dealing with heavy machinery. It's just a part of the sport, like it or not, and people need to accept that if they're going to watch it.
you speak the truth, but when was the last time we lost two drivers in the span of a week? 1994?

Yeah it's been a long time since we've had this much tragedy in the same week. Interesting note about Simoncelli, he suffered two preseason testing crashes at Sepang shortly before last season, the second of which cracked his helmet. Looks like Sepang wasn't nice to Marco :/
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Post by Nextelracer on Mon Oct 24, 2011 1:05 pm

F1V1 wrote:Has racing ever been safe? There's always the chance of injury or death when dealing with heavy machinery. It's just a part of the sport, like it or not, and people need to accept that if they're going to watch it.

I don't really watch MotoGP all that often but it was surprising when I heard that Carrottop (Simoncelli) died. It was a horrible accident, but he went out quickly and probably didn't feel a thing which is what most people would prefer to have as their death, plus he was doing what he loved to do. Rest In Peace Marco Simoncelli.

Agreed. I have a hunch that some people around these parts need to stop watching motorsports altogether, because they simply can't take the reality that it's not as safe as...say...curling. I've witnessed over a dozen racing drivers die in my lifetime, but I still want to drive race cars myself. Why? Because I love the danger that is involved in motorsports; the combination of speed and controlled insanity creates a danger that exists in no other sport, nor can it; yet it defines motorsports. That's the way it always has been, and the way it always will be.

Some people just need to wake up and realize that they're not watching Dancing With The Stars, but actual vehicles matched up against each other in a battle of speed, skill, and technology. It's a totally different (no pun intended) ball game than other sports.
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Post by PYLrulz on Mon Oct 24, 2011 2:49 pm

Nextelracer wrote:
F1V1 wrote:Has racing ever been safe? There's always the chance of injury or death when dealing with heavy machinery. It's just a part of the sport, like it or not, and people need to accept that if they're going to watch it.

I don't really watch MotoGP all that often but it was surprising when I heard that Carrottop (Simoncelli) died. It was a horrible accident, but he went out quickly and probably didn't feel a thing which is what most people would prefer to have as their death, plus he was doing what he loved to do. Rest In Peace Marco Simoncelli.

Agreed. I have a hunch that some people around these parts need to stop watching motorsports altogether, because they simply can't take the reality that it's not as safe as...say...curling. I've witnessed over a dozen racing drivers die in my lifetime, but I still want to drive race cars myself. Why? Because I love the danger that is involved in motorsports; the combination of speed and controlled insanity creates a danger that exists in no other sport, nor can it; yet it defines motorsports. That's the way it always has been, and the way it always will be.

Some people just need to wake up and realize that they're not watching Dancing With The Stars, but actual vehicles matched up against each other in a battle of speed, skill, and technology. It's a totally different (no pun intended) ball game than other sports.


The difference is, some crashes (like Earnhardt, Wheldon, Senna) can be prevented. That's what some people call out. Yes, people can die racing, and certain situations come up where nothing can ever be done no matter what you do, but there are situations where it can be prevented.
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Post by Mystrsyko on Mon Oct 24, 2011 4:53 pm

honestly, thats what makes at least dan's death so much harder to accept, because everything performed flawlessly, but he was still killed. his definitely makes you think about the danger, because it proves that there are situations that simply cannot be accounted or prepared for

during nascar's tribute to wheldon, rusty talked about 1993 and being afraid that his car would always turn over when it spun out. but then roof flaps came out and he was no longer afraid because the risk had been lessened. we dont have that in wheldon or simoncelli's cases. the fear of crashing in the exact way that prevents all safety gear from helping you will always be there because that risk can never be reduced. and i think that's the reason so many people have spoken out about this. it's not so much the danger of the sport, as much as it is the fear and helplessness one feels when the sport proves that sometimes there's just nothing we can do about it
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Post by F1V1 on Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:13 pm

According to Kentucky Speedway IndyCar may be going to closed cockpit cars next season



IndyPorsche much? It's stupid to be quite honest.
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Post by Chives2112 on Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:49 pm

I'm sorry, but closed cockpit cars aren't the answer. What happened to Wheldon was a freak accident if you would, and IndyCar shouldn't be doing anything like this...
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Post by Nextelracer on Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:52 pm

PYLrulz wrote:The difference is, some crashes (like Earnhardt, Wheldon, Senna) can be prevented. That's what some people call out. Yes, people can die racing, and certain situations come up where nothing can ever be done no matter what you do, but there are situations where it can be prevented.

Wheldon's crash couldn't have been prevented; honestly it was just bad luck that killed him. Earnhardt's death was the last in a long string of accidents that brought about the HANS device, which has been invaluable in racing since. Senna's death...I don't even know what happened, and I don't think anyone but Frank Williams knows what happened on May 1, 1994.
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Post by PYLrulz on Tue Oct 25, 2011 2:06 am

Nextelracer wrote:
PYLrulz wrote:The difference is, some crashes (like Earnhardt, Wheldon, Senna) can be prevented. That's what some people call out. Yes, people can die racing, and certain situations come up where nothing can ever be done no matter what you do, but there are situations where it can be prevented.

Wheldon's crash couldn't have been prevented; honestly it was just bad luck that killed him. Earnhardt's death was the last in a long string of accidents that brought about the HANS device, which has been invaluable in racing since. Senna's death...I don't even know what happened, and I don't think anyone but Frank Williams knows what happened on May 1, 1994.

Well, I'll stick with what I said. Who knows, maybe Wheldon's crash will lead to Indy Cars that won't ramp off one another, or cars that, if they flip into catch fences top first, a driver can survive. Dale's crash led to a huge safety push to implement stuff that was around, and would try to prevent what happened again. Senna's crash the same.

Yes, racing is dangerous, but there are ways (through common sense or otherwise) to make it safer.
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Post by tommykl on Tue Oct 25, 2011 1:26 pm

Nextelracer wrote:
PYLrulz wrote:The difference is, some crashes (like Earnhardt, Wheldon, Senna) can be prevented. That's what some people call out. Yes, people can die racing, and certain situations come up where nothing can ever be done no matter what you do, but there are situations where it can be prevented.

Wheldon's crash couldn't have been prevented; honestly it was just bad luck that killed him. Earnhardt's death was the last in a long string of accidents that brought about the HANS device, which has been invaluable in racing since. Senna's death...I don't even know what happened, and I don't think anyone but Frank Williams knows what happened on May 1, 1994.
Well, it probably took too much accidents like this to get HANS brought in. Apart from Earnhardt, we've had Ratzenberger, Gonzalo Rodriguez, Blaise Alexander, Adam Petty, Kenny Irwin, Tony Roper, John Nemechek, Scott Brayton, Grant Adcow, J.D. McDuffie, Jovy Marcelo...That list is way longer than it should have been.
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Post by Nextelracer on Tue Oct 25, 2011 3:25 pm

PYLrulz wrote:Well, I'll stick with what I said. Who knows, maybe Wheldon's crash will lead to Indy Cars that won't ramp off one another, or cars that, if they flip into catch fences top first, a driver can survive. Dale's crash led to a huge safety push to implement stuff that was around, and would try to prevent what happened again. Senna's crash the same.

Yes, racing is dangerous, but there are ways (through common sense or otherwise) to make it safer.

The new Indy car has ramps around the rear wheels, if you didn't remember, that are designed to keep the rear wheels from locking with the front wheels of another car and catapulting it into the air. That's why I said earlier that Wheldon's death won't be in vain, because he helped design that feature.

tommykl wrote:
Nextelracer wrote:
PYLrulz wrote:The difference is, some crashes (like Earnhardt, Wheldon, Senna) can be prevented. That's what some people call out. Yes, people can die racing, and certain situations come up where nothing can ever be done no matter what you do, but there are situations where it can be prevented.

Wheldon's crash couldn't have been prevented; honestly it was just bad luck that killed him. Earnhardt's death was the last in a long string of accidents that brought about the HANS device, which has been invaluable in racing since. Senna's death...I don't even know what happened, and I don't think anyone but Frank Williams knows what happened on May 1, 1994.
Well, it probably took too much accidents like this to get HANS brought in. Apart from Earnhardt, we've had Ratzenberger, Gonzalo Rodriguez, Blaise Alexander, Adam Petty, Kenny Irwin, Tony Roper, John Nemechek, Scott Brayton, Grant Adcow, J.D. McDuffie, Jovy Marcelo...That list is way longer than it should have been.

I won't disagree with you there. Basal skull fractures were all too common in days past, and even the drivers that didn't die from them (Stanley Smith, Ernie Irvan, Philippe Streiff, Rick Carelli) have some sort of trauma because of their crashes. Head and Neck restrains have certainly done their job, and I don't think that the BSF is going to be a problem ever again under normal circumstances.
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Post by tommykl on Thu Oct 27, 2011 11:01 am

You'd think they would learn after Philippe Streiff's accident (the marshalls pretty much turned a sprained neck into a basal skull fracture through carelessness).
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Post by PKligBKFan on Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:54 pm

I would say it's only about 10% carelessness, 90% hurry. They know he's dying and they're rushing to try to save his life.
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Post by Chives2112 on Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:15 am

Yeah, they were rushing trying to get him to the hospital, but they shouldn't drop him.
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