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Post by The_Wall_91 on Thu Mar 24, 2016 10:44 am

The second race of the F1 season takes us to Bahrain, a small country in the Middle East. Here will be some items to keep you eyes on for.

Can Rosberg Keep his Streak Going?

With Rosberg's win in Australia, his win streak is now at 4 in a row. His teammate Lewis Hamilton came on strong at the end of the race to go from his terrible 1st to 6th drop on the first lap to finish 2nd.

Is Ferrari Faster Than Mercedes?

Vettel's phenomenal start showed the power of the 2016 Ferrari, however, is one race enough to determine that Ferrari is faster? Mercedes won qualifying by sweeping the first row, but Vettel stole the show by leading the majority of laps.

Haas: One Hit Wonder, or Competitor?

Romain Grosjean shocked the world taking an 18th place qualifying Haas VF-16 to finish 6th ahead of Nico Hulkenburg, the Toro Rosso's, and one of the Williams cars. Romain's 6th possibly was due to the red flag period. Haas put the mediums on Grosjean's car and told him, "don't come in again (or something like that)." We will see if this was good luck or the Haas is better than expected.

Sainz vs. Verstappen

News flash! Sainz and Verstappen of Toro Rosso took there rivalry to another level. Late in the race, Sainz refused to listen to his team when they told him to let Verstappen go. Verstappen grew increasingly frustrated with Sainz which forced Verstappen to spin out of turn 15 in the closing stages. Sainz this was "no big deal," we will see about that.

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Re: 2016 Bahrain GP

Post by Cynon on Thu Mar 24, 2016 11:24 am

The_Wall_91 wrote:The second race of the F1 season takes us to Bahrain, a small country in the Middle East. Here will be some items to keep you eyes on for.

Can Rosberg Keep his Streak Going?

With Rosberg's win in Australia, his win streak is now at 4 in a row. His teammate Lewis Hamilton came on strong at the end of the race to go from his terrible 1st to 6th drop on the first lap to finish 2nd.

Nico hasn't fared well in Bahrain lately. Going to say he won't, because...

The_Wall_91 wrote:Is Ferrari Faster Than Mercedes?

Vettel's phenomenal start showed the power of the 2016 Ferrari, however, is one race enough to determine that Ferrari is faster? Mercedes won qualifying by sweeping the first row, but Vettel stole the show by leading the majority of laps.

...Ferrari has been closer to Mercedes in Bahrain over the past few years than they have at some other tracks. Ferrari has usually gone pretty well there. I think Vettel and Raikkonen could both end up winning Bahrain.

The_Wall_91 wrote:Haas: One Hit Wonder, or Competitor?

Romain Grosjean shocked the world taking an 18th place qualifying Haas VF-16 to finish 6th ahead of Nico Hulkenburg, the Toro Rosso's, and one of the Williams cars. Romain's 6th possibly was due to the red flag period. Haas put the mediums on Grosjean's car and told him, "don't come in again (or something like that)." We will see if this was good luck or the Haas is better than expected.

It was definitely due to the red flag period that Grosjean got 6th, but when you qualify like crap you have to try out of the box strategies to get to the front (something some other teams that languish at the back fail to realize) and throw the dice when applicable. But if they didn't have good race pace, the Haas car would have dropped back further than it did.

Competitor? Yes. Was that points haul a one hit wonder? Wait until after Monaco and Canada and you'll have a better answer. But it seems like their race pace is actually pretty good -- even Gutierrez looked like he belonged in F1 for the first time ever.

The_Wall_91 wrote:Sainz vs. Verstappen

News flash! Sainz and Verstappen of Toro Rosso took there rivalry to another level. Late in the race, Sainz refused to listen to his team when they told him to let Verstappen go. Verstappen grew increasingly frustrated with Sainz which forced Verstappen to spin out of turn 15 in the closing stages. Sainz this was "no big deal," we will see about that.

It seems like the rivalry between these two guys is that both of them know they're out at Toro Rosso once this year closes out, and they want to race, not to ride around. Outside of Vettel's 3 wins these guys were the best thing in F1 last year. Personally, I think they're both better than Ricciardo and Kvyat and I wouldn't at all be surprised if Sainz and Verstappen stay as teammates in 2017 but as Red Bull drivers instead of Toro Rosso drivers.

As the year goes on, though, expect their results to taper off -- they're not getting any engine updates at all this year, so if they're to score any big results, it'll likely have to be either early season (depending on updates to the Williams, McLaren, Red Bull, and Force India) or in another race with a few safety cars.

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Re: 2016 Bahrain GP

Post by Alta on Thu Mar 24, 2016 3:53 pm

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Re: 2016 Bahrain GP

Post by The_Wall_91 on Thu Mar 24, 2016 4:02 pm

Cynon, where do you think either Toro Rosso driver will end up? I am thinking one of the two will replace Kvyat and the other will fill in one of the two McLaren rides (I am not expecting Button or Alonso to stay).

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Re: 2016 Bahrain GP

Post by BWard on Thu Mar 24, 2016 4:05 pm

Alta wrote:Elimination qualifying is staying for at least Bahrain.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/337215/elimination-qualifying-to-stay-for-bahrain/


Excuse my language, but I wish they would just fuck off with this bullshit. They first go from going back to the previous qualifying system, to then considering making tweaks to it, and then sticking with the new one. Hey FIA, WHY DON'T YOU GUYS JUST MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MINDS IN THE FIRST PLACE?! I can't believe that F1, which what I thought before was supposed to be the pinnacle of Motorsport, it now a complete joke. J-O-K-E.
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Re: 2016 Bahrain GP

Post by RetrogradeRenegade on Thu Mar 24, 2016 5:02 pm

BWardboy88 wrote:
Alta wrote:Elimination qualifying is staying for at least Bahrain.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/337215/elimination-qualifying-to-stay-for-bahrain/


Excuse my language, but I wish they would just fuck off with this bullshit. They first go from going back to the previous qualifying system, to then considering making tweaks to it, and then sticking with the new one. Hey FIA, WHY DON'T YOU GUYS JUST MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MINDS IN THE FIRST PLACE?! I can't believe that F1, which what I thought before was supposed to be the pinnacle of Motorsport, it now a complete joke. J-O-K-E.

They can't. The sport has no effective leadership now, and nobody, especially not the teams, will even briefly consider giving up any ground because to do that would go against everything they work for - or so they think. At this point, might as well just brace yourself for the inevitable point at which the whole thing goes tumbling off a cliff and something else pops up to fill the gap.
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Re: 2016 Bahrain GP

Post by BWard on Thu Mar 24, 2016 6:03 pm

RetrogradeRenegade wrote:
BWardboy88 wrote:
Alta wrote:Elimination qualifying is staying for at least Bahrain.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/337215/elimination-qualifying-to-stay-for-bahrain/


Excuse my language, but I wish they would just fuck off with this bullshit. They first go from going back to the previous qualifying system, to then considering making tweaks to it, and then sticking with the new one. Hey FIA, WHY DON'T YOU GUYS JUST MAKE UP YOUR DAMN MINDS IN THE FIRST PLACE?! I can't believe that F1, which what I thought before was supposed to be the pinnacle of Motorsport, it now a complete joke. J-O-K-E.

They can't. The sport has no effective leadership now, and nobody, especially not the teams, will even briefly consider giving up any ground because to do that would go against everything they work for - or so they think. At this point, might as well just brace yourself for the inevitable point at which the whole thing goes tumbling off a cliff and something else pops up to fill the gap.
It is very frustrating though regardless. The sport today is run by people who are so full of themselves and don't bother to solve the real issues with F1 right now, and everyday they seem to make it worse and worse. This season is only 1 race in and it's already looking to be even worse than 2015. I can't express my anger more because I may get the ban hammer thrown at me, but my blood is still boiling at how ridiculous these constant changes are happening over and over. A laughing stock is the best way to describe F1 right now, as the sport just can't ever seem to get its act together.
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Post by Cynon on Fri Mar 25, 2016 12:47 pm

The_Wall_91 wrote:Cynon, where do you think either Toro Rosso driver will end up? I am thinking one of the two will replace Kvyat and the other will fill in one of the two McLaren rides (I am not expecting Button or Alonso to stay).

Right now, both at Red Bull, Ricciardo to Ferrari, and Kvyat ... somewhere else.

Alta wrote:Elimination qualifying is staying for at least Bahrain.

http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/337215/elimination-qualifying-to-stay-for-bahrain/


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Post by RetrogradeRenegade on Fri Mar 25, 2016 7:40 pm

And it turns out that elimination qualifying is staying because McLaren and Red Bull voted against a modified version where Q3 would've been the same as last year's but with Q1 and Q2 still using the elimination format. Like, I mean, really? Obviously it was a dick move from the FIA to not go fully through with what people want, but I don't see how McLaren and Red Bull being obstinate jackasses helps improve the situation and the image of F1? Like, at least Q3 would've been okay, and then you can push to change qualifying again after Bahrain in Q1 and Q2 were total failures (which not everyone seems to agree was the case in Australia)?
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Re: 2016 Bahrain GP

Post by Alta on Fri Mar 25, 2016 8:29 pm

I'm shocked they don't do majorities. One team saying no was why the 2005 US GP happened.


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Re: 2016 Bahrain GP

Post by The_Wall_91 on Fri Mar 25, 2016 10:10 pm

Alta wrote:I'm shocked they don't do a majorities. One team saying no was why the 2005 US GP happened.

Oh god, please don't bring that race up again

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Post by PYLrulz on Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:25 am

RetrogradeRenegade wrote:And it turns out that elimination qualifying is staying because McLaren and Red Bull voted against a modified version where Q3 would've been the same as last year's but with Q1 and Q2 still using the elimination format. Like, I mean, really? Obviously it was a dick move from the FIA to not go fully through with what people want, but I don't see how McLaren and Red Bull being obstinate jackasses helps improve the situation and the image of F1? Like, at least Q3 would've been okay, and then you can push to change qualifying again after Bahrain in Q1 and Q2 were total failures (which not everyone seems to agree was the case in Australia)?

This is the one thing I fear about NASCAR and the franchises it gave out.  I don't want to see a day where a Hendrick or Penske or Gibbs franchise somehow having way more power than anything else, and it knocking out anything they don't like.
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Re: 2016 Bahrain GP

Post by Alta on Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:51 am

Fernando Alonso has not been cleared to raced Bahrain due to chest injuries suffered in his crash at Australia.

Last year's GP2 champion Stoffel Vandoorne will sub For Alonso
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Post by The_Wall_91 on Thu Mar 31, 2016 8:21 am

I hope Fernando's chest injury is nothing too serious, he is a great driver.

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Re: 2016 Bahrain GP

Post by The_Wall_91 on Thu Mar 31, 2016 4:12 pm

Here are some numbers for the Bahrain GP:

1:31.447: The fastest lap ever recorded in the Bahrain GP, this lap was set in 2005 by McLaren alumni Pedro de la Rosa

3: 3 drivers have competed in all of the Bahrain GP, Jenson Button, Felipe Massa, and Fernando Alonso... well, Fernando's streak will end

8: 8 different drivers have won the pole in Bahrain, Michael Schumacher and Sebastian Vettel are the only drivers to win more than 1 pole

339.1 km/h: The fastest speed ever recorded, this was set by Vettel

4: Ferrari holds the record with 4 wins in Bahrain, 2 more than Red Bull, Renault, and Mercedes

0.027: In 2008, Robert Kubica beat Massa for the pole by .027 seconds, the shortest difference in Bahrain history

146: Vettel holds the record for the most laps led in Bahrain, the only other drivers to lead more than 100 laps is Massa and Lewis Hamilton

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Re: 2016 Bahrain GP

Post by RetrogradeRenegade on Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:41 am

FP1 is done and Rosberg was 2 seconds faster than the top non-Mercedes.

Good race guys, when's the next one?
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Re: 2016 Bahrain GP

Post by Lucstar88 on Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:11 pm

In FP2
Button is 3rd quick. 1.2 behind Rosberg.


ABORT! ABORT!
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Post by The_Wall_91 on Sat Apr 02, 2016 2:06 pm

Hamilton may be DQ'ed from pole position after reversing in the pit lane on the cars own power. That is a big no-no.

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Re: 2016 Bahrain GP

Post by Milan655 on Sat Apr 02, 2016 6:17 pm

I suggest if anyone wants to take any enjoyment from Bahrain this weekend, watch the TCR International Series. Stunning racing and fantastic media access at TCR-Series.tv, TCR formula is almost bringing back the feel of the super touring days..Formula 1 is dead, I think it's time to move on, WEC is the future of the ultimate racing series.
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Post by RealRacingRoots on Sat Apr 02, 2016 8:13 pm

Milan655 wrote:I suggest if anyone wants to take any enjoyment from Bahrain this weekend, watch the TCR International Series. Stunning racing and fantastic media access at TCR-Series.tv, TCR formula is almost bringing back the feel of the super touring days..Formula 1 is dead, I think it's time to move on, WEC is the future of the ultimate racing series.

TCR, having a formula? The formula for TCR is, well there isn't one. It's the same basic concept as GT3 where OEMs or privateers with OEM blessing do whatever they want to a car, while keeping to specified safety standard; the only requirement being a maximum cost for the car. This cost doesn't take into account the yearly update packages which in GT3 can easily equate to 40% of the value to buy the car in the first place.

I'm surprised GT3 hasn't killed itself from the inside with the spending war constantly looming, or after the shitshow that was the Spa 24 a few years ago. I just don't want TCR heading down that same path.

As for Race 1 from Saturday? I just wish Dusan Bork-laser-ovic could buy a break, his luck has been abysmal since he took the step up to WTCC. He has so much upside but always gets caught up in someone else's business.
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Post by Milan655 on Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:51 am

When I say formula perhaps I use the wrong word, but in terms of the overall 'umbrella' TCR is providing for national and regional championship. In terms of Borkovic, he was very unlucky yesterday yet I think lucky to jump ship from the sinking WTCC. I think with nearly all of the 'official' FIA championships with exception of WEC and F4 are becoming like disasters: Citroen with 80kg ballast still dominate WTCC and now even FIA F3 is set to become a (bigger) joke thanks to Lance Stroll paying everyone to step out of his way on track..
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Post by RealRacingRoots on Sun Apr 03, 2016 4:16 am

Milan655 wrote:When I say formula perhaps I use the wrong word, but in terms of the overall 'umbrella' TCR is providing for national and regional championship. In terms of Borkovic, he was very unlucky yesterday yet I think lucky to jump ship from the sinking WTCC. I think with nearly all of the 'official' FIA championships with exception of WEC and F4 are becoming like disasters: Citroen with 80kg ballast still dominate WTCC and now even FIA F3 is set to become a (bigger) joke thanks to Lance (s)Troll paying everyone to step out of his way on track..

WTCC is probably going to get Kia as another factory team in the next year or two, if the Austrians are to be believed. They need to move from BOP Ballast to a aggressive success ballast system if they want to be successful, but they are actually trying to improve their product which speaks volumes compared to Formula 1. They are the in the best shape of all of their series minus the WEC right now since OEMs actually want to come and play.

Formula 4 is a bit of a mess because of the fact that there is no sense of unification between all the national series that claim to be Formula 4. There are 4 different Formula 4 chassis and 6 engine suppliers, but you have to play with only one combination the series organizers choose to favor, which to me seems counter intuitive unless you're the person who is responsible for the BOP of all the cars, it should be more like Formula 3 in that way minus the crippling Dallara monopoly.

And oh by the way, the FIA still wants Formula 2 to happen.  Fixed!


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Post by The_Wall_91 on Sun Apr 03, 2016 11:35 am

Romain Grosjean has the fastest lap of the race and is in the top 5 at lap 19

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Post by RetrogradeRenegade on Sun Apr 03, 2016 1:31 pm

Well that turned out to be a surprisingly good race. Ricciardo, Vandoorne, and Wehrlein all drove extremely well.

Williams, on the other hand, look like they have not capitalised on the last two years at all.
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Post by The_Wall_91 on Sun Apr 03, 2016 2:03 pm

I don't think Haas is a one hit wonder, I never expected them by race 2 to be competing with Williams and Red Bull.

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Post by Alta on Sun Apr 03, 2016 3:02 pm

Solid race. Rosberg has been on a hot streak, and damn is Haas quick...It's scary lol.
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Post by PYLrulz on Sun Apr 03, 2016 5:59 pm

Haas showing waiting an extra year was a VERY smart move. Maybe HRT, Manor/Marussia/whateverthefucktheyarecalled, and Caterham should have done the same years back.
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Post by RetrogradeRenegade on Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:24 am

PYLrulz wrote:Haas showing waiting an extra year was a VERY smart move.  Maybe HRT, Manor/Marussia/whateverthefucktheyarecalled, and Caterham should have done the same years back.

I'm not sure they had a choice. USF1 tried to wait a bit extra and got tossed out. And Manor is still Manor.

Also it's quite a bit disingenuous to compare them to Haas - Haas has had a ton of support from Ferrari and came in knowing exactly what the cost structure of F1 is. HRT, Manor, and Caterham all came in thinking there would be a cost cap, and that featured heavily in their planned budgets. And then, of course, the cost cap never happened.
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Post by Milan655 on Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:10 am

PYLrulz wrote:Haas showing waiting an extra year was a VERY smart move.  Maybe HRT, Manor/Marussia/whateverthefucktheyarecalled, and Caterham should have done the same years back.

The story of Haas is irrelevant to Manor etc, the car is as close to a Ferrari as the regulations permit. Those 3 came into the sport having developed their own car. Now look at Manor today and you can nearly consider them a midfield team, particularly with Wehrlein.

Vandoorne was brilliant today, but that was nearly as expected. Future champion if he can sort out a drive in the future with a competitive package.

Glad Bahrain made me eat my words, excellent race.
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