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Post by bigdc48 on Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:12 pm

This is the semifinal event and the final 500-mile event at the Pocono Raceway, aka the Tricky Triangle. Juan Pablo Montoya, who is the championship leader with 2 races remaining over Rahal, Dixon, Castroneves and Power, who last year's fastest 500-mile IndyCar race ever on his return to open-wheel racing. Graham Rahal won last time out at his home race in Mid-Ohio.

The race is Sunday at 2pm et on NBCSN.
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Post by Alta on Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:39 pm

Charlie Kimball got up into the fencing in qualifying, he is okay though.
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Post by PYLrulz on Sun Aug 23, 2015 1:59 pm

Tom Delgado (Magus) and I at the race today. Some parts of the grandstands (towards start-finish line and the cheap seats in the 100's) right now decently filled, but quite a few sections down the grandstand look horrific. You can count the amount of people in some sections.
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Post by Lucstar88 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:03 pm

Car low, Charlie.

Also lol Power.
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Post by Lucstar88 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:11 pm

Please get out Vautier....
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Post by Ben Atkins on Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:14 pm

Vautier... No

Can't blame Graham for being upset over that one. That might be it for his title hopes now.

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Post by Lucstar88 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:20 pm

"When you are back with the squirrels, you are bound to get your nuts cracked," - Rahal

I'm dying XD
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Post by BWardboy88 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:22 pm

Lucstar88 wrote:"When you are back with the squirrels, you are bound to get your nuts cracked," - Rahal

I know it will affect his title hopes, but I thought it was a but weird when he said that, considering he had been the squirrel for years.
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Post by Lucstar88 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:27 pm

BWardboy88 wrote:
Lucstar88 wrote:"When you are back with the squirrels, you are bound to get your nuts cracked," - Rahal

I know it will affect his title hopes, but I thought it was a but weird when he said that, considering he had been the squirrel for years.

Yeah, but YOU NEVER SHOULD TAKE OUT A TITLE CONTENDER! That's a big no-no. Doesn't matter who it is, that's just wrong.
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Post by FlashRod4 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:29 pm

Shit, I thought at one point that kid had talent...
Very mature response from Graham as his title hopes nust got much harder. He should've used his helmet as a weapon.
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Post by bigdc48 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 4:53 pm

Just got back from something.

I saw the replay of Rahal-Vautier.

Vautier......ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!?! That is gonna be hard to unseat him as reject of the race for sure.
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Post by Memoriesallbutdone on Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:03 pm

Hope Marco Andretti is alright that was hard.
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Post by Lucstar88 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:04 pm

Looks a little banged up. Hope he's okay!
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Post by BWardboy88 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:23 pm

And that's a fox... okay then.
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Post by bigdc48 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:24 pm

Wow. A fox now wants a piece of fame.
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Post by bigdc48 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:29 pm

THAT RESTART!!!
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Post by Lucstar88 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:30 pm

8 WIDE!!!! Helio is done.
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Post by BooyakaDragon on Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:32 pm



Welp.
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Post by BBoy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:35 pm

This race has been what I like to call, a fluster cuck.
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Post by BWardboy88 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:37 pm

Better view.
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Post by Lucstar88 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:43 pm

NO NOT KARAM!!!
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Post by PYLrulz on Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:48 pm

This race... I didn't realize I was taking Tom to a demo derby
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Post by Memoriesallbutdone on Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:50 pm

I hope Wilson is ok now...
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Post by Ben Atkins on Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:50 pm

I really hope Justin Wilson is okay...

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Post by bigdc48 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:51 pm

I hope Wilson's okay. Jeez there's a handfull of violent wrecks today.
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Post by BBoy on Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:51 pm

pale
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Post by BWardboy88 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 5:55 pm

I pray to god that Wilson is okay, that was awful Sad
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Post by BooyakaDragon on Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:11 pm

Like others have said, really hope Wilson is okay.

Side note: Boo RHR won
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Post by Lucstar88 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:12 pm

Great win RHR!!

Prayers for Wilson Sad
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Post by f1fan12 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:21 pm

Something about that tone worries me... I hope Wilson is alright!
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Post by Alta on Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:26 pm

Crazy race.

Just hoping Wilson is okay man.
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Post by conrail1990 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:28 pm

f1fan12 wrote:Something about that tone worries me...
You're not the only one.
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Post by Cynon on Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:17 pm

Hope Wilson's okay. Hope the kneejerkers politely fuck off back to NASCAR.

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Post by Mystrsyko on Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:23 pm

Someone on twitter had a quote supposedly from RHR saying that Wilson was unconsious and unresponsive. I'm don't know what to make of that.

When was the last time an Indycar driver was injured by a debris strike? I honestly can't think of one in Indycar specifically.
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Post by flyingturns89 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:24 pm

Mystrsyko wrote:Someone on twitter had a quote supposedly from RHR saying that Wilson was unconsious and unresponsive. I'm don't know what to make of that.

When was the last time an Indycar driver was injured by a debris strike? I honestly can't think of one in Indycar specifically.

Hinchcliffe got a concussion after getting hit by debris last year at the Indy road course race.
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Post by JMac525 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 7:45 pm

Prayers go out to Justin Wilson. I hope we hear the best news possible.

Also, Flyingturns is correct. Bunch got a concussion after being hit by debris in the Indy Gran Prix in 2014.
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Post by PYLrulz on Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:00 pm

Cynon wrote:Hope Wilson's okay. Hope the kneejerkers politely fuck off back to NASCAR.

Still have to wonder if closed cockpits, or at least some kind of extended protection is the way to go. I realize something like Jules Bianchis crash in Japan would have ended badly regardless, but the stuff like this, Hinchcliffe, Massa... If something gets pushed to move something like that along
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Post by Liam O'Brian on Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:44 pm

IndyStar wrote:According to Brant James of USA TODAY Sports, winner of the ABC Supply 500 Ryan Hunter-Reay was told Justin Wilson is unconscious and unresponsive

Link: http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/motor/2015/08/23/justin-wilson-hit-debris-pocono-track-airlifted-hospital/32238561/
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Post by Liam O'Brian on Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:45 pm

Mystrsyko wrote:Someone on twitter had a quote supposedly from RHR saying that Wilson was unconsious and unresponsive. I'm don't know what to make of that.

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/motor/2015/08/23/justin-wilson-hit-debris-pocono-track-airlifted-hospital/32238561/
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Post by RealRacer4 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:49 pm

I reallyI hope Justin Wilson is doing okay. I know a bunch of Top Fuel drivers in NHRA have been running those enclosed cockpits for the last 2 years or so. I can see at least Indy Car taking NHRA's idea and start using it down the road.

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Post by Mystrsyko on Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:57 pm

Now I'm worried about the "unresponsive" thing. If it was a layman's "he's unconscious, so of course he can't respond" that's meaningless, but if its an official diagnosis, it likely means "not even automatic reflexes", which means a significant brain injury. I'm desperately hoping that is not the case.
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Post by Lucstar88 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:09 pm

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Post by PackerMan71 on Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:37 pm

My thoughts on the ABC Supply 500 @ Pocono:

Wow.

You wanna talk about a race with a lot of ups and downs, this was it. Over 30 lead changes, the most all-time at Pocono, which, unfortunately, ended under yellow when Gabby Chaves' engine decided to let go with four laps to go. Sucks, but it happens.

The racing, especially on the restarts, was absolutely insane, with one restart seeing cars going SEVEN WIDE. That was the WTF moment of the race right there.

The LOL moment of the race goes to the fox causing the 9th caution, and he had some great leaping skills, that's for sure.

The Reject of the Race was Tristan Vautier, no doubt about it. He made an ambitious move going into turn 3, and ultimately took Graham Rahal out of the race, which certainly hurts his championship hopes, but they aren't completely crushed yet, as he still has a shot at Sonoma, with that race being double points.

Of course, our thoughts and prayers are going out to Justin Wilson, who was hit in the head by a piece of Sage Karam's nose cone when Karam crashed while leading. Hopefully, he'll be able to overcome this.

Final rating for the ABC Supply 500 @ Pocono:

One helluva wacky race, with a lot of ups and downs and great racing. This race gets a 9/10, but it definitely ended on a somber note with Justin Wilson's significant head injury. Like I said, hopefully we'll be seeing good news come out from the hospital, because we've already seen enough driver deaths this year, and quite frankly, I don't want to see anymore.
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Post by Cynon on Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:31 am

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Cynon wrote:Hope Wilson's okay. Hope the kneejerkers politely fuck off back to NASCAR.

Still have to wonder if closed cockpits, or at least some kind of extended protection is the way to go.  I realize something like Jules Bianchis crash in Japan would have ended badly regardless, but the stuff like this, Hinchcliffe, Massa... If something gets pushed to move something like that along

Felipe Massa's accident could not have been prevented. If that was a closed cockpit car I guarantee that spring would have gone right through it and still really messed him up.

The cars already have fenders, if you want to go the closed cockpit route, might as well junk the DW12 and the entire concept of open wheel and just run LMP2 cars instead. Then you might be able to prevent Hinchcliffe's accident. But then those wouldn't be Indycars anymore, and it would be so watered-down in the name of safety that it would be unwatchable -- a route way too many categories of motorsport have already gone too far down, to be brutally honest.

This might be a better option.

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Post by NeverNeutral on Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:56 am

RealRacer4 wrote:I reallyI hope Justin Wilson is doing okay. I know a bunch of Top Fuel drivers in NHRA have been running those enclosed cockpits for the last 2 years or so. I can see at least Indy Car taking NHRA's idea and start using it down the road.
Ridiculous thing is those canopies are already built in Indianapolis. No idea why they wouldn't at least consider it.
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Post by NeverNeutral on Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:04 am

Also, I'm trying to figure out how exactly canopies are a kneejerk reaction. Unless we're going to ignore Hinchcliffe in the Indy GP last year, or Wheldon, or Helio's near miss in the 2012 500, et al...

IndyCar's shown no interest in at least considering massive safety improvements... Unfortunately, I think a lot of that is a result of how stubborn a majority of the fanbase is so stubbornly against changing tradition (Not naming you specifically). I think they're more comparable to NASCAR fans than the "kneejerkers"... Nobody cared about neck restraints until Dale died.

As far as the LMP2 comparison goes, I would be fine with taking off the wheel pods in exchange for canopies. The wheel pods don't work anyway.

For me, safety always take precedent over tradition, "danger", cheap thrills, etc. "Danger" should be limited to the potential to lose a good result, not your body or life.
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Post by Alta on Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:20 am

NeverNeutral wrote:
RealRacer4 wrote:I reallyI hope Justin Wilson is doing okay. I know a bunch of Top Fuel drivers in NHRA have been running those enclosed cockpits for the last 2 years or so. I can see at least Indy Car taking NHRA's idea and start using it down the road.
Ridiculous thing is those canopies are already built in Indianapolis. No idea why they wouldn't at least consider it.
I'm curious have they even tested those things in a crash scenario? I see all the talk of closed canopies and yet it feels like nobody's trying to attempt to see if it's plausible with a Formula car/Indycar and are just throwing ideas at the wall when a situation like this happens.
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Post by NeverNeutral on Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:35 am

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RealRacer4 wrote:I reallyI hope Justin Wilson is doing okay. I know a bunch of Top Fuel drivers in NHRA have been running those enclosed cockpits for the last 2 years or so. I can see at least Indy Car taking NHRA's idea and start using it down the road.
Ridiculous thing is those canopies are already built in Indianapolis. No idea why they wouldn't at least consider it.
I'm curious have they even tested those things in a crash scenario? I see all the talk of closed canopies and yet it feels like nobody's trying to attempt to see if it's plausible with a Formula car/Indycar and are just throwing ideas at the wall when a situation like this happens.
The FiA did these tests in 2011.
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Post by kensethfan on Mon Aug 24, 2015 1:56 am

NeverNeutral wrote:IndyCar's shown no interest in at least considering massive safety improvements...

Bullshit. The ICONIC chassis, which became the base for the Dallara DW12, was IndyCar's attempt to prevent cars from launching off of one another. That was what killed Dan Wheldon. Ever since, we've seldom seen wrecks like that.

I've seen some rather passive reactions to the Justin Wilson accident by people on social media, and to briefly address those people: Yes, motorsports are dangerous, but as far as we've come in safety you expect less of this kind of thing. It's shocking, and don't try to sell me that it's not.

Still, I don't think anything could have been done in advance to save Justin Wilson. He probably wouldn't even know what hit him. I'd like to believe that closed canopies would be a viable option provided you could make them out of a material durable enough to withstand high speed impacts, but then I remember the kind of accident Simona di Silvestro had in the 2010 Texas race, which Ben cited in one of his Tweets. If the car's on fire you can't waste any time bailing out of the car, and closed canopies would make that more difficult than it already is. That said, I agree with the idea Cooper pointed at -- windshields that don't cover the cockpit.

Despite all that I'm hearing about how good this race was apart from the Justin Wilson incident, I think I was fortunate in a sense that I overslept and missed the entire race. All in all, I'm left with an uneasy feeling that I haven't felt since the death of Jason Leffler or the Kevin Ward, Jr. incident. So godspeed, Justin Wilson.
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Post by PYLrulz on Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:36 am

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Cynon wrote:Hope Wilson's okay. Hope the kneejerkers politely fuck off back to NASCAR.

Still have to wonder if closed cockpits, or at least some kind of extended protection is the way to go.  I realize something like Jules Bianchis crash in Japan would have ended badly regardless, but the stuff like this, Hinchcliffe, Massa... If something gets pushed to move something like that along

Felipe Massa's accident could not have been prevented. If that was a closed cockpit car I guarantee that spring would have gone right through it and still really messed him up.

The cars already have fenders, if you want to go the closed cockpit route, might as well junk the DW12 and the entire concept of open wheel and just run LMP2 cars instead. Then you might be able to prevent Hinchcliffe's accident. But then those wouldn't be Indycars anymore, and it would be so watered-down in the name of safety that it would be unwatchable -- a route way too many categories of motorsport have already gone too far down, to be brutally honest.

This might be a better option.

Just like when rear engined cars came about... And wings on the car... And then cars made of carbon fiber...

Change happens. 65+ years ago, if you'd tell an Indy fan that the cars were going to change around from what they seen, you'd be looked at as insane. Today, we are used to seeing IndyCars like they are. Simple evolution. Just think it's time to seriously consider something.
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