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Post by bigdc48 on Tue Jul 29, 2014 10:55 am

The IndyCar Series heads to the Buckeye State to race at the Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course. Charlie Kimball won his 1st ever IndyCar race ahead of Simon Pagenaud. This race has been caution free the last two years.

Last time out at Toronto, Sebastien Bourdais and Mike Conway were the victors in trying conditions as the championship has tighten up between Penske teammates Will Power and Helio Castroneves. Ryan Hunter-Reay and Simon Pagenaud need to step on it to catch up.

We'll find out what's bound to happen on Sunday.
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Re: 2014 Honda Indy 200 @ Mid-Ohio - IndyCar

Post by f1fan12 on Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:13 am

Despite being in Ohio, this track tends to be the most boring road course that Indycar runs on!

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Post by Lucstar88 on Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:17 pm

I want Pagenaud to win, so he gains points on Helio/Power, but my gut says Dixonwinslol

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Re: 2014 Honda Indy 200 @ Mid-Ohio - IndyCar

Post by Alpineopossum on Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:35 pm

I've enjoyed these races, but that's probably because I usually attend them. It's a good track in a really beautiful area (Lexington is near the Mohican region) and it'll be interesting to see who wins.

Scott Dixon has been the king of this track for the past few years and whenever he doesn't another Ganassi car usually does emerge victorious but Ganassi has been so off the mark this year. It's anybody's guess who will win here, but I'll give you my driver by driver preview nonetheless:

Montoya - A possibility, but Mid-Ohio is very technical and it may be one of the tracks that Montoya finds it harder to adapt to. That being said, he is Montoya, and this is Team Penske, so don't count him out.

Castroneves - The Brazillian driver has never really shown much speed here recently, but expect him to be in the top ten unless something weird happens. The problem is that you need to be at the very front at Mid Ohio to compete for the win and I'm not sure if he can get there.

Aleshin - Everybody's favorite Russian IndyCar pilot hadn't seen any IndyCar track before this year, but Mid Ohio takes a while to learn. I'd imagine he will run into somebody, perhaps Takuma Sato again.

Briscoe - Briscoe has momentum with that strong run at Pocono. He hasn't won since the 2012 Sonoma race, so he's hungry. But his team has not had the speed anywhere this year.

Dixon - The undisputed favorite at Mid Ohio. Despite the struggles of Ganassi this season, it is impossible to count Dixon out at Mid Ohio: he knows the place better than anybody else on the grid.

Kanaan - TK has been itching for a win for a while now, and he's gotten close on numerous occasions in the past few races. Ganassi is good at the track (or at least has been good there), so Kanaan has a strong chance. He'd have to get around Dixon though.

Bourdais - Seb has enormous momentum right now. That Toronto win showed everyone, including Bourdais himself, that he still has it. I think that the Toronto breakthrough could lead to many more wins down the road, and he could contend at Mid Ohio. He was very strong here in 2010 despite driving for the underperforming Dragon Racing.

Power - Power has been the fastest driver in terms of raw speed all season, but has made many, many mistakes, often involving speeding on pit road. Mid Ohio has a notoriously difficult pit road, so that's a mark against Power right there. He stands a strong chance of winning but his own over exuberance could be his worst enemy.

Sato - Sato will likely be wrecked by Aleshin (if he doesn't crash by himself). If he doesn't he could be in the frame for a Top Five run.

Rahal - Graham Rahal needs to do well here. It's his home race and there will be plenty of people wearing red and blue yellow and black dark blue in the stands. That does NOT mean he will be competitive. Expect the malaise to continue, although I hope I'm wrong about that.

Saavedra - I don't see him contending here, although Bourdais victory might help things within the KVRT organization.

Huertas - I have to wonder whether that Houston win was a fluke, as Huertas hasn't been running up front since.

Wilson - Wilson hasn't had a great season, but he has shown speed at Mid Ohio in the past and he could very well do it again.

Conway - Conway is always fast on the road courses and expect to see the #20 running toward the front.

Andretti - Marco has had terrible luck at this track - remember his flip on lap one? - and that has prevented him from contending here. But I don't see him having great pace at Mid Ohio.

Hinchcliffe - Hinchcliffe is having, in comparison to 2013, a dreadful year. By this point he had won three races. He hasn't won any. With the long offseason approaching, you have to wonder if the #27 crew isn't just mounting a championship charge in 2015 and waiting out the 2014 season.

Hunter Reay - RHR will be a contender as always. He's reasonably good at this track and I'd expect there's a good chance we'll see him up front.

Munoz - He had an amazing drive in last year's Indy Lights race, and if your looking for someone to pull an upset and win this race, Carlos may just be your man.

Newgarden - A guy that's long on talent and short on results, Josef Newgarden is long overdue for a top result, although he got one at Iowa. Mid Ohio isn't really his kind of track, but he could be a contender.

Pagenaud - Simon Pagenaud is a dark horse championship contender. Don't count him out for the win - and a win here could make him a real factor in the title race.

Kimball - Charlie Kimball is one of the least potent defending winner's we've seen in a long time. The struggles of the Ganassi team make it difficult to imagine that Kimball will repeat. He's not out of it, but he's certainly not a favorite.

Hawksworth - He's shown tremendous speed at times and has been very mediocre at others. It's anybody's guess which one will come out at Mid Ohio.
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Re: 2014 Honda Indy 200 @ Mid-Ohio - IndyCar

Post by NeverNeutral on Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:14 pm

I've been hearing that Hinch will opt out of his contract with Andretti at the end of the year.
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Post by bigdc48 on Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:23 pm

NeverNeutral wrote:I've been hearing that Hinch will opt out of his contract with Andretti at the end of the year.

If that's the case, then wow. But I heard one point at the Iowa broadcast that Pagenaud could go there.
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Post by NeverNeutral on Tue Jul 29, 2014 5:24 pm

bigdc48 wrote:
NeverNeutral wrote:I've been hearing that Hinch will opt out of his contract with Andretti at the end of the year.

If that's the case, then wow. But I heard one point at the Iowa broadcast that Pagenaud could go there.
And if both of those are true, Hinch may go to the 8.
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Post by Alta on Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:02 pm

NeverNeutral wrote:I've been hearing that Hinch will opt out of his contract with Andretti at the end of the year.
Source?
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Post by NeverNeutral on Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:54 pm

Alta wrote:
NeverNeutral wrote:I've been hearing that Hinch will opt out of his contract with Andretti at the end of the year.
Source?
Best I could find:
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/motor/indy-car/2014/07/20/james-hinchcliffe-opts-test-indycar-free-agency/12911331/
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Re: 2014 Honda Indy 200 @ Mid-Ohio - IndyCar

Post by bigdc48 on Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:17 pm

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Re: 2014 Honda Indy 200 @ Mid-Ohio - IndyCar

Post by crl on Sat Aug 02, 2014 6:24 pm

Josef second. Hell, yeah.

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Post by crl on Sun Aug 03, 2014 3:56 pm

Helio's been sitting on pit lane since the pace laps, and is now two laps down. Newgarden and Kanaan touched in Turn 4, causing Kanaan to spin and collect Marco and Sato.

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Post by crl on Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:27 pm

Wow. RHR busted for speeding in the pits. I propose the following slogan for this year's championship chase:

Who. Doesn't. Choke. It. Away?

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Post by Lucstar88 on Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:32 pm

crl wrote:Wow. RHR busted for speeding in the pits. I propose the following slogan for this year's championship chase:

Who. Doesn't. Choke. It. Away?

Pagenaud Very Happy I Hope...
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Post by RealRacer4 on Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:36 pm

crl wrote:Wow. RHR busted for speeding in the pits. I propose the following slogan for this year's championship chase:

Who. Doesn't. Choke. It. Away?

And now he spun...

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Post by Sparkz47 on Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:37 pm

Hunter-Reay.

Oh, dear.
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Re: 2014 Honda Indy 200 @ Mid-Ohio - IndyCar

Post by crl on Sun Aug 03, 2014 4:52 pm

COME ON, JOSEF!

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Post by f1fan12 on Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:16 pm

NOOOO Team Lawn Gnome blew that stop!
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Post by crl on Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:16 pm

You've gotta be kidding me, Josef's right rear tire changer...

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Post by crl on Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:19 pm

Whoever left that hose out there for Josef to fucking run over should be fired.

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Post by Lucstar88 on Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:20 pm

That's the crew's fault... the hose was like halfway across the pits...
No way Newgarden would've made a stop with that in the way
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Post by crl on Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:22 pm

I am so fucking pissed off. Can Josef get a goddamn break?

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Post by navycook75 on Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:24 pm

Josef ;_;
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Re: 2014 Honda Indy 200 @ Mid-Ohio - IndyCar

Post by BWard on Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:44 pm

From last to first, good win Dixon.
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Post by PackerMan71 on Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:47 pm

Well, that was a pretty meh race, especially considering how solid the Pocono race was. I'll be the first to admit I don't like Dixon, but that was impressive going from last to win, even if he made the race pretty boring. Another great run for Bourdais (and he got me points in the IndyCar game yay) and FINALLY a good run for Hinchy.

The 2014 Honda Indy 200 @ Mid-Ohio gets a 4.5/10.
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Post by crl on Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:48 pm

Well, that race sucked. SFHR screws Josef over, and Dixon wins.

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Post by bigdc48 on Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:58 pm

The race was crap. Congrats to Dixon to finally win this season, but I feel for Josef Newgarden. There's absolutely no excuse as to how that pit stop went down from SFHR. Hinch finally gets a podium after the horrendous season he's had.

I'll give this a 4.0/10. And the title race got tighter with Power leading by 4 points over Helio.
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Post by Sparkz47 on Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:18 pm

Am I the only one who thinks running over pit equipment is a crap penalty? Isn't running over your own stuff penalty enough?
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Post by BWard on Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:22 pm

Sparkz47 wrote:Am I the only one who thinks running over pit equipment is a crap penalty? Isn't running over your own stuff penalty enough?

Maybe if IndyCar were smarter than they are right now, they should hand out penalties to the team rather than the driver, because that completely screwed Newgarden out of a podium. And considering the bad luck he's had this year, that just adds insult to injury.
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Post by f1fan12 on Sun Aug 03, 2014 6:35 pm

If it is a danger to other crews, then I am all for pit road penalties.

Am I the only one who thought the race was solid. Granted the end wasn't so great, but the start saw some really good racing!

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Post by Sparkz47 on Sun Aug 03, 2014 7:03 pm

f1fan12 wrote:If it is a danger to other crews, then I am all for pit road penalties.

But the whole point of penalties is to set an example to other competitors not to attempt a set circumstance which the penalty is in place to prevent. The thing is, no one's going to intentionally run over their own pit equipment, even without the penalty in place. It's purely an accidental event, so a penalty system isn't going to make it happen any less. You might as well penalize drivers for spinning or having a mechanical failure.
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Post by crl on Mon Aug 04, 2014 1:18 am

Sparkz47 wrote:
f1fan12 wrote:If it is a danger to other crews, then I am all for pit road penalties.

But the whole point of penalties is to set an example to other competitors not to attempt a set circumstance which the penalty is in place to prevent. The thing is, no one's going to intentionally run over their own pit equipment, even without the penalty in place. It's purely an accidental event, so a penalty system isn't going to make it happen any less. You might as well penalize drivers for spinning or having a mechanical failure.

There's a double-edged sword, though. While Newgarden's crew was careless in allowing one of the air hoses to be draped over the wall where Josef could run over it in the process of stopping in his box, the mistake really didn't cost him that much time, since, by the time the penalty had been issued, he had re-passed Munoz. I honestly don't think he would've won without the penalty because Dixon's strategy was just perfect enough to get him over the edge.

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Post by Sparkz47 on Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:07 am

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Sparkz47 wrote:
f1fan12 wrote:If it is a danger to other crews, then I am all for pit road penalties.

But the whole point of penalties is to set an example to other competitors not to attempt a set circumstance which the penalty is in place to prevent. The thing is, no one's going to intentionally run over their own pit equipment, even without the penalty in place. It's purely an accidental event, so a penalty system isn't going to make it happen any less. You might as well penalize drivers for spinning or having a mechanical failure.

There's a double-edged sword, though. While Newgarden's crew was careless in allowing one of the air hoses to be draped over the wall where Josef could run over it in the process of stopping in his box, the mistake really didn't cost him that much time, since, by the time the penalty had been issued, he had re-passed Munoz. I honestly don't think he would've won without the penalty because Dixon's strategy was just perfect enough to get him over the edge.

I understand what you mean, but that's not really what I'm getting at. Running over equipment is detrimental to the team regardless of whether or not the league applies a penalty to it. It damages the equipment and causes chaos like it did for Newgarden today. So, what I'm saying is, there's no point in penalizing drivers for it and potentially screwing them out of wins if they're going to do their best to avoid hitting equipment even without the penalty.
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Post by Milan655 on Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:18 am

The driver is a part of the team.
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Post by Sparkz47 on Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:32 am

Milan655 wrote:The driver is a part of the team.

I know that. That's not my point. My point is that penalties, more than anything, act as deterrents for conduct which grants one competitor an unfair advantage over the others. But running over pit equipment is inherently detrimental. There's no advantage to it, so there's no need for a deterrent. Why penalize a team for doing something they're doing their best to avoid anyway?
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Post by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) on Mon Aug 04, 2014 9:20 am

Sparkz47 wrote:
Milan655 wrote:The driver is a part of the team.

I know that. That's not my point. My point is that penalties, more than anything, act as deterrents for conduct which grants one competitor an unfair advantage over the others. But running over pit equipment is inherently detrimental. There's no advantage to it, so there's no need for a deterrent. Why penalize a team for doing something they're doing their best to avoid anyway?
Penalties can also act as a safety measure. Leave or run over equipment in the pit box, which could potentially fly back into crewmen or the crowd behind the boxes, and you get penalised for causing a potential safety hazard.
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Post by Milan655 on Mon Aug 04, 2014 10:00 am

And therefore the team learns from their mistake with a penalty.
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Post by Sparkz47 on Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:26 pm

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:
Sparkz47 wrote:
Milan655 wrote:The driver is a part of the team.

I know that. That's not my point. My point is that penalties, more than anything, act as deterrents for conduct which grants one competitor an unfair advantage over the others. But running over pit equipment is inherently detrimental. There's no advantage to it, so there's no need for a deterrent. Why penalize a team for doing something they're doing their best to avoid anyway?
Penalties can also act as a safety measure. Leave or run over equipment in the pit box, which could potentially fly back into crewmen or the crowd behind the boxes, and you get penalised for causing a potential safety hazard.  

A crash on-track is also a safety hazard, but penalizing teams merely for crashing would be ridiculous. Sometimes mistakes happen, and I believe that, in most cases, the natural consequences of such mistakes should be the team's penalty, not an additional one handed down by the league.
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Post by Milan655 on Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:31 am

A crash on track is unavoidable, whereas leaving equipment out in the pitlane very much is.
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Re: 2014 Honda Indy 200 @ Mid-Ohio - IndyCar

Post by Ben Atkins on Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:43 pm

I disagree with the way they went around it. Bringing Josef in ruined his race, and while he is technically a part of the team, it was his pit crews screw-up, and not his, so he shouldn't have been brought in. What would have been better is a fine for the team, but not something that screws over Josef as well.

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Re: 2014 Honda Indy 200 @ Mid-Ohio - IndyCar

Post by BWard on Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:51 pm

Ben Atkins wrote:I disagree with the way they went around it. Bringing Josef in ruined his race, and while he is technically a part of the team, it was his pit crews screw-up, and not his, so he shouldn't have been brought in. What would have been better is a fine for the team, but not something that screws over Josef as well.

Knowing the amount of bad luck he's had this year apart from his 2nd place finish at Iowa, that was the last thing he needed.
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