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Post by navycook75 on Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:01 pm

The season finale for the IZOD Indycar Series, and also the last race with the IZOD sponsorship. It's now a battle between point leader Scott Dixon and Helio Castroneves.

Alex Tagliani is going to be the replacement for the injured Dario Franchitti, Allmendinger is back in the Penske #2, Pippa Mann is in the 18 for Dale Coyne, and J.R. Hildebrand is in the 98 Barracuda entry, but other than that, I expect the entry list to be the same as always.

I expect this race to a good one seeing as how they have the same aero package as Indy, and last year didn't disappoint either.
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by Alta on Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:42 pm

Pulling for Helio. Dude's been at it for about 15 years now and can never close the deal.
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by Alpineopossum on Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:05 pm

I'm a big Dixon fan but Hélio deserves it.
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by JMac525 on Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:27 pm

I prefer Dixon, but I want Helio to win the championship because he hasn't yet. This is a great opportunity for Carpenter to run well, hopefully he can get a top 5 out of this at least.

Last year's race was excellent, so I expect another good one this year.
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by f1fan12 on Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:37 pm

GO HELIO!!!
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by crl on Mon Oct 14, 2013 11:07 pm

I hope Helio fills the one hole on a Hall of Fame resume.

We live in a Golden Age of American open-wheel racing (despite what some critics say), and it's a damn shame that one of the most popular drivers in the sport is not a champion. I hope he corrects that.

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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by BWard on Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:35 am

I think Helio can do just enough to pull it off and walk away champion at California.
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Post by Cynon on Tue Oct 15, 2013 3:21 pm

As much of a sentimental favorite Hélio (and despite how much I like him) is because he hasn't won a championship, it will feel as hollow as his 2002 Indy 500 "win". He really doesn't deserve to win the championship this year.

Penske cheated to win Texas, Hélio's only win of the year so far, whereas Dixon has won multiple races the right way -- by kicking ass on race day. Penske has resorted to some very underhanded tactics to stop Dixon, and it seems like the officials are out to get the Ganassi boys, too (hello Brian Barnhart). Anyone with a soul would be as fired up as Dixon is, and I'd certainly be very wary of A.J. Allmendinger or Will Power...

Even though I really hate Chip Ganassi, I'm going to pull for a Scott Dixon championship to complete his one-championship-every-five-years run, and because he is a far more deserving champion. Then he'll win the title again in 2018.

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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by crl on Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:22 pm

Apparently, EJ Viso is "sick", so Carlos Munoz is hopping in the 5 car this weekend.

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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by NeverNeutral on Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:30 pm

crl wrote:Apparently, EJ Viso is "sick", so Carlos Munoz is hopping in the 5 car this weekend.
What makes you think he isn't?
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by crl on Fri Oct 18, 2013 1:37 pm

NeverNeutral wrote:
crl wrote:Apparently, EJ Viso is "sick", so Carlos Munoz is hopping in the 5 car this weekend.
What makes you think he isn't?
A lot of Tweets had quotation marks around the words ill or sick, so I was just playing along.

Although, Viso did support Mike Conway's decision to stop racing ovals, and he sucked at Fontana last year.

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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by Casey Lester on Fri Oct 18, 2013 3:39 pm

I thought Viso was fine after hitting Sato. Whatever. #belikemike

I would love to see Hélio get it, but I think Dixon is going to get it. I've noticed the #9 a lot more this season than the 3 and has more wins than Hélio, obviously. (Could somebody fill me in about Texas? I missed that race, but I remember hearing that Castroneves crushed everyone) Penske hasn't seemed to be quite able to beat Dixon, so even with all the swaying towards the 3, Dixon is probably going to take his 4th. (Or would it be his 3rd?)
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by Alta on Fri Oct 18, 2013 4:07 pm

Viso's chickening out. He supported Conway last season and the quotations would make sense if they reporters called bs.

Whatever...At least we've got one weapon out of the field.
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by Alta on Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:23 pm

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/18/us-venezuela-currency-idUSBRE99H03220131018

Or it could be this.....
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by crl on Sat Oct 19, 2013 12:44 am

Alta wrote:http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/18/us-venezuela-currency-idUSBRE99H03220131018

Or it could be this.....
Wonder if Maldonado is one of them. Forge your signature, somehow win an F1 race.

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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by RealRacer4 on Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:14 pm

Munoz is making a fool out of Viso. This guy's the real deal! Also, this points battle is looking a lot closer now than I thought. I'm loving this race so far!

EDIT: Well, so much for what I said about Munoz. Neutral

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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by Sparkz47 on Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:22 pm

RealRacer4 wrote:Munoz is making a fool out of Viso. This guy's the real deal! Also, this points battle is looking a lot closer now than I thought. I'm loving this race so far!

EDIT: Well, so much for what I said about Munoz. Neutral
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by JMac525 on Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:36 pm

I hope Wilson and Simpna are alright. They haven't gotten out yet.
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by Sparkz47 on Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:44 pm

Apparently Wilson has been put on a stretcher and is in an ambulance bound for the care center. He did, however, take off his own helmet, so he is alert.
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by RealRacer4 on Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:47 pm

I'm guessing Wilson might have a broken leg/ankle or 2 considering how hard he was t-boned from Vautier. I hope him and Simona are okay, though, the only thing I saw happened to Simona was that she just spun out.

Also, if they were going to be under caution for this long, can't they just throw out the red flag?


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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by Alta on Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:48 pm

These bad wrecks are already out of hand this weekend.
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by JMac525 on Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:59 pm

RealRacer4 wrote:I'm guessing Wilson might have a broken leg/ankle or 2 considering how hard he was t-boned from Vautier. I hope him and Simona are okay, though, the only thing I saw happened to Simona was that she just spun out.

Also, if they were going to be under caution for this long, can't they just throw out the red flag?
That was what I was thinking as well. I don't understand why they didn't throw a red.
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by RealRacer4 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:09 am

Man, I was actually rooting Bourdais to win this race. He was doing so well too!

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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by navycook75 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:18 am

All these cars falling out.
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by Sparkz47 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:27 am

IndyCar is the future.

Bring on 2014!
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Post by RealRacer4 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:29 am

This Indy Car race...

The finish wasn't what you would call very exciting but the racing was great. With a bunch of cars falling out of the race left and right reminded me of the old CART/IndyCar days. I'm not really all that mad about a Ganassi driver winning it since it was a well-earned win for the title. This further proves why the ICS has become my new favorite series to watch.

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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by navycook75 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:35 am

>Hinch 4th

I'm ok with this.
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Post by Sparkz47 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:36 am

According to Stefan Wilson, Justin has a fracture in his pelvis, but no back injuries.
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by Alta on Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:41 am

Entertaining race which was also quite attrition filled. Penske just blew the title hardcore by not paying attention...Hell couldn't even take advantage when Dixon's motor was going sour. The last 50 laps were pretty batshit insane, all dat passing and racing yo!

Fun season overall as expected with Indycar. Lots of great races last year and i'm looking forward to the next season.

Also....Simona who some people thought was injured in that Wilson crash finishes in the top 10. Speaking of which...hope Wilson will be back in time for the new season...pretty hard shot with Vautier. Sucks we got two big injuries at the end of the year.

I still <3 Indycar though.
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Post by JMac525 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:42 am

Bah, I was hoping Ed would've tracked him down with that bizarre racing line near the end. Oh well, he gave it a great run. Besides a bit too much yellow, it was a fantastic race to end the season.

I wanted to see Helio win this, but Dixon deserved it the way he ran the second half of the season.

It's going to be long offseason. But Indycar will be back better than ever in 2014!
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by Mystrsyko on Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:44 am

Zanardi bar ftw
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Post by darkapprentice77 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:02 am

Gutted for Helio, but absolutely brilliant race.
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Post by RetrogradeRenegade on Sun Oct 20, 2013 1:29 am

Yeah, I would've loved to see Helio win the title as well, but at the end of the day Dixon was just simply amazing over the whole course of the season. He really deserved it, and had to work hard to get it - which is how it should be.

Have to give a shout out to Charlie Kimball - that guy drove like an absolute boss out there. I'm absolutely gutted for him that his engine died, but he's gonna be a force to be reckoned with sooner or later, I think.
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Post by crl on Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:48 am

It was starting to turn into the 2000 CART finale at Fontana - when only six cars finished, and the Top 5 (Fittipaldi, Moreno, de Ferran, Mears, and Fernandez) were the only ones on the lead lap - towards the end there.

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Post by bigdc48 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:54 am

Great race. Great season. Great champion. Great race winner. Nothing but great.
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Post by navycook75 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:52 pm

Fun fact: both Helio and Dixon led the same amount of laps, with 239.
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Post by PackerMan71 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:57 pm

Does Dixon deserve the championship?

Based on his performance, absolutely. 4 wins, including three in a row, and basically dominated the 2nd half of the season when it counted the most.

Based on his attitude, fuck no. While it's understandable for him to be upset by the supposed shenanigans Penske caused this year, he could've conducted himself in a more respectable manner instead of acting like a Kyle Busch wannabe.

But it is what it is. Great race, spectacular season. Can't wait for 2014.
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Post by Ben Atkins on Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:28 pm

PackerMan71 wrote:Does Dixon deserve the championship?

Based on his performance, absolutely. 4 wins, including three in a row, and basically dominated the 2nd half of the season when it counted the most.

Based on his attitude, fuck no. While it's understandable for him to be upset by the supposed shenanigans Penske caused this year, he could've conducted himself in a more respectable manner instead of acting like a Kyle Busch wannabe.

But it is what it is. Great race, spectacular season. Can't wait for 2014.
His driving won him the championship. Therefore, his attitude shouldn't be a reason why he "didn't deserve the championship."

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Post by Alta on Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:41 pm

It kind of sucks though for Castroneves as he was was scary consistent the whole year and then the last 3 races happened.
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by PackerMan71 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:41 pm

Ben Atkins wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:Does Dixon deserve the championship?

Based on his performance, absolutely. 4 wins, including three in a row, and basically dominated the 2nd half of the season when it counted the most.

Based on his attitude, fuck no. While it's understandable for him to be upset by the supposed shenanigans Penske caused this year, he could've conducted himself in a more respectable manner instead of acting like a Kyle Busch wannabe.

But it is what it is. Great race, spectacular season. Can't wait for 2014.
His driving won him the championship. Therefore, his attitude shouldn't be a reason why he "didn't deserve the championship."
I think you missed my point. Yes he did win the championship with his driving, but the way he conducted himself during the second half of the season was pretty piss poor, IMO, and my stance on that will not change.
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by Cynon on Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:44 pm

Deserving champion -- did it the right way while Castroneves was (understandably, sort of) driving like a dick the entire race. Either way, very entertaining season finale...

...except when Bourdais hit the wall, I literally just hung my head and wanted to hide in the corner.

Ben Atkins wrote:His driving won him the championship. Therefore, his attitude shouldn't be a reason why he "didn't deserve the championship."
Yup. When you win 4 races and are only halted by the actions of your title rival's teammate, you are a more deserving champion. Especially when Helio's only win of the year ... well, Penske got caught cheating and got off easy.

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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by Ben Atkins on Sun Oct 20, 2013 5:55 pm

PackerMan71 wrote:
Ben Atkins wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:Does Dixon deserve the championship?

Based on his performance, absolutely. 4 wins, including three in a row, and basically dominated the 2nd half of the season when it counted the most.

Based on his attitude, fuck no. While it's understandable for him to be upset by the supposed shenanigans Penske caused this year, he could've conducted himself in a more respectable manner instead of acting like a Kyle Busch wannabe.

But it is what it is. Great race, spectacular season. Can't wait for 2014.
His driving won him the championship. Therefore, his attitude shouldn't be a reason why he "didn't deserve the championship."
I think you missed my point. Yes he did win the championship with his driving, but the way he conducted himself during the second half of the season was pretty piss poor, IMO, and my stance on that will not change.
Driving is the main attribute in winning a championship. Dixon drove stellar all year, and how he conducted himself in interviews shouldn't be a factor as to whether or not he deserved to win the championship or not, in my eyes. Each to their own.

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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by Alta on Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:11 pm

The championship battle was basically a battle of....Consistency Vs Wins. Castroneves was Consistent as i mentioned and Dixon was a house of fire so to speak from the mid-point of the season to the end.
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by PackerMan71 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:17 pm

Ben Atkins wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
Ben Atkins wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:Does Dixon deserve the championship?

Based on his performance, absolutely. 4 wins, including three in a row, and basically dominated the 2nd half of the season when it counted the most.

Based on his attitude, fuck no. While it's understandable for him to be upset by the supposed shenanigans Penske caused this year, he could've conducted himself in a more respectable manner instead of acting like a Kyle Busch wannabe.

But it is what it is. Great race, spectacular season. Can't wait for 2014.
His driving won him the championship. Therefore, his attitude shouldn't be a reason why he "didn't deserve the championship."
I think you missed my point. Yes he did win the championship with his driving, but the way he conducted himself during the second half of the season was pretty piss poor, IMO, and my stance on that will not change.
Driving is the main attribute in winning a championship. Dixon drove stellar all year, and how he conducted himself in interviews shouldn't be a factor as to whether or not he deserved to win the championship or not, in my eyes. Each to their own.
I guess were gonna have to agree to disagree then. Razz 

I'm not disputing the bolded statement. I'm just saying that if he conducted himself in a more appropriate manner, then we wouldn't be having this conversation at all. It was a good championship, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. That's all I'm saying.

Bottom line, Dixon, good job on winning the title, but seriously, stop trying to impersonate Kyle Busch. It only makes you look like a toolbag. Neutral
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by Alpineopossum on Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:34 pm

PackerMan71 wrote:
Ben Atkins wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
Ben Atkins wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:Does Dixon deserve the championship?

Based on his performance, absolutely. 4 wins, including three in a row, and basically dominated the 2nd half of the season when it counted the most.

Based on his attitude, fuck no. While it's understandable for him to be upset by the supposed shenanigans Penske caused this year, he could've conducted himself in a more respectable manner instead of acting like a Kyle Busch wannabe.

But it is what it is. Great race, spectacular season. Can't wait for 2014.
His driving won him the championship. Therefore, his attitude shouldn't be a reason why he "didn't deserve the championship."
I think you missed my point. Yes he did win the championship with his driving, but the way he conducted himself during the second half of the season was pretty piss poor, IMO, and my stance on that will not change.
Driving is the main attribute in winning a championship. Dixon drove stellar all year, and how he conducted himself in interviews shouldn't be a factor as to whether or not he deserved to win the championship or not, in my eyes. Each to their own.
I guess were gonna have to agree to disagree then. Razz 

I'm not disputing the bolded statement. I'm just saying that if he conducted himself in a more appropriate manner, then we wouldn't be having this conversation at all. It was a good championship, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. That's all I'm saying.

Bottom line, Dixon, good job on winning the title, but seriously, stop trying to impersonate Kyle Busch. It only makes you look like a toolbag. Neutral
There's no comparison between Kyle Busch and Scott Dixon

Scott Dixon won three championships in a top level series
Scott Dixon doesn't run a full Indy Lights season and boost his win level there
Scott Dixon doesn't irrationally wreck people at anywhere near the rate that Kyle Busch does
Scott Dixon made it to the top by himself, not by having a famous brother
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by PackerMan71 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:47 pm

Alpineopossum wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
Ben Atkins wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
Ben Atkins wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:Does Dixon deserve the championship?

Based on his performance, absolutely. 4 wins, including three in a row, and basically dominated the 2nd half of the season when it counted the most.

Based on his attitude, fuck no. While it's understandable for him to be upset by the supposed shenanigans Penske caused this year, he could've conducted himself in a more respectable manner instead of acting like a Kyle Busch wannabe.

But it is what it is. Great race, spectacular season. Can't wait for 2014.
His driving won him the championship. Therefore, his attitude shouldn't be a reason why he "didn't deserve the championship."
I think you missed my point. Yes he did win the championship with his driving, but the way he conducted himself during the second half of the season was pretty piss poor, IMO, and my stance on that will not change.
Driving is the main attribute in winning a championship. Dixon drove stellar all year, and how he conducted himself in interviews shouldn't be a factor as to whether or not he deserved to win the championship or not, in my eyes. Each to their own.
I guess were gonna have to agree to disagree then. Razz 

I'm not disputing the bolded statement. I'm just saying that if he conducted himself in a more appropriate manner, then we wouldn't be having this conversation at all. It was a good championship, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. That's all I'm saying.

Bottom line, Dixon, good job on winning the title, but seriously, stop trying to impersonate Kyle Busch. It only makes you look like a toolbag. Neutral
There's no comparison between Kyle Busch and Scott Dixon

Scott Dixon won three championships in a top level series
Scott Dixon doesn't run a full Indy Lights season and boost his win level there
Scott Dixon doesn't irrationally wreck people at anywhere near the rate that Kyle Busch does
Scott Dixon made it to the top by himself, not by having a famous brother
I was referring to his attitude, not his driving skills. Neutral 
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by bigdc48 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:06 pm

PackerMan71 wrote:
Alpineopossum wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
Ben Atkins wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
Ben Atkins wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:Does Dixon deserve the championship?

Based on his performance, absolutely. 4 wins, including three in a row, and basically dominated the 2nd half of the season when it counted the most.

Based on his attitude, fuck no. While it's understandable for him to be upset by the supposed shenanigans Penske caused this year, he could've conducted himself in a more respectable manner instead of acting like a Kyle Busch wannabe.

But it is what it is. Great race, spectacular season. Can't wait for 2014.
His driving won him the championship. Therefore, his attitude shouldn't be a reason why he "didn't deserve the championship."
I think you missed my point. Yes he did win the championship with his driving, but the way he conducted himself during the second half of the season was pretty piss poor, IMO, and my stance on that will not change.
Driving is the main attribute in winning a championship. Dixon drove stellar all year, and how he conducted himself in interviews shouldn't be a factor as to whether or not he deserved to win the championship or not, in my eyes. Each to their own.
I guess were gonna have to agree to disagree then. Razz 

I'm not disputing the bolded statement. I'm just saying that if he conducted himself in a more appropriate manner, then we wouldn't be having this conversation at all. It was a good championship, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. That's all I'm saying.

Bottom line, Dixon, good job on winning the title, but seriously, stop trying to impersonate Kyle Busch. It only makes you look like a toolbag. Neutral
There's no comparison between Kyle Busch and Scott Dixon

Scott Dixon won three championships in a top level series
Scott Dixon doesn't run a full Indy Lights season and boost his win level there
Scott Dixon doesn't irrationally wreck people at anywhere near the rate that Kyle Busch does
Scott Dixon made it to the top by himself, not by having a famous brother
I was referring to his attitude, not his driving skills. Neutral 
There were some occasions where Dixon had the right to be.
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by flyingturns89 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:19 pm

Not to interrupt this argument of whether Dixon should be champion, but Justin Wilson has posted on Twitter that his pelvis is fractured in three spots. He says no surgery is needed, and there are no other serious injuries other than his pelvis.
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by PackerMan71 on Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:50 pm

bigdc48 wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
Alpineopossum wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
Ben Atkins wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:
Ben Atkins wrote:
PackerMan71 wrote:Does Dixon deserve the championship?

Based on his performance, absolutely. 4 wins, including three in a row, and basically dominated the 2nd half of the season when it counted the most.

Based on his attitude, fuck no. While it's understandable for him to be upset by the supposed shenanigans Penske caused this year, he could've conducted himself in a more respectable manner instead of acting like a Kyle Busch wannabe.

But it is what it is. Great race, spectacular season. Can't wait for 2014.
His driving won him the championship. Therefore, his attitude shouldn't be a reason why he "didn't deserve the championship."
I think you missed my point. Yes he did win the championship with his driving, but the way he conducted himself during the second half of the season was pretty piss poor, IMO, and my stance on that will not change.
Driving is the main attribute in winning a championship. Dixon drove stellar all year, and how he conducted himself in interviews shouldn't be a factor as to whether or not he deserved to win the championship or not, in my eyes. Each to their own.
I guess were gonna have to agree to disagree then. Razz 

I'm not disputing the bolded statement. I'm just saying that if he conducted himself in a more appropriate manner, then we wouldn't be having this conversation at all. It was a good championship, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. That's all I'm saying.

Bottom line, Dixon, good job on winning the title, but seriously, stop trying to impersonate Kyle Busch. It only makes you look like a toolbag. Neutral
There's no comparison between Kyle Busch and Scott Dixon

Scott Dixon won three championships in a top level series
Scott Dixon doesn't run a full Indy Lights season and boost his win level there
Scott Dixon doesn't irrationally wreck people at anywhere near the rate that Kyle Busch does
Scott Dixon made it to the top by himself, not by having a famous brother
I was referring to his attitude, not his driving skills. Neutral 
There were some occasions where Dixon had the right to be.
Maybe, but his interviews made him seem more like a whiner than anything else.
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Re: MAVTV 500 -Indycar

Post by RetrogradeRenegade on Mon Oct 21, 2013 2:56 pm

Considering the utter absurdity that happened at Sonoma and Baltimore, Dixon has every right to be a "whiner" IMO. His outrage was perfectly understandable and justified.
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