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Post by racingfreak1999 on Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:28 pm

Well, at least Kyle won on Sunday for a change.
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Post by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) on Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:30 pm

racingfreak1999 wrote:Well, at least Kyle won on Sunday for a change.
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Post by vbooy57 on Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:01 pm

Lucstar88 wrote:
BWardboy88 wrote:Kyle wins, god damnit horseshit.
Still better than Jimmie "I'll wreck my own teamate to win" Johnson lol
I hate Kyle 10x more than I hate Jimmie.
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Re: 2013 Cheez-it 355 at the Glen

Post by f1fan12 on Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:11 pm

I seriously thought it was a solid race. Best of the year so far. I won't bash Kez for not passing the 18 because he really tried to get something done! Kyle did deserve that win (Like him or not)!
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Re: 2013 Cheez-it 355 at the Glen

Post by RealRacer4 on Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:26 pm

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:
I feel the same exact way about Jeff Gordon.

I never really saw the race so I have nothing to say other than Jeff needs to get his crap together.

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Post by JMac525 on Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:58 pm

A little too wrecky for my liking, but the racing was very exciting otherwise. Great effort by Brad on that last two laps. It looked like his car wasn't very good on the restarts.
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Re: 2013 Cheez-it 355 at the Glen

Post by PYLrulz on Sun Aug 11, 2013 7:26 pm

I was at the gym when the one wreck that brought out the red flag happened, and I think I only really caught the first part of it when I think it was the 36 or whoever it was started crashing, and that was all they showed of it. Did they show more of that replay?!? If not, shows ya the quality of ESPN's coverage
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Post by Vincent Giacalone on Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:51 pm

Glad I went to this race. Pretty much what I expected, all-around good racing that got more and more crazy towards the end.

From what I'm hearing, the TV cameras didn't catch Brian K stalling and nearly wrecking the leaders in the early going.
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Post by crl on Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:21 pm

I really don't understand why Ambrose and his team keep employing that wacky strategy at The Glen year-after-year. They had to realize they weren't going to get away with it eventually.

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Re: 2013 Cheez-it 355 at the Glen

Post by Sparkz47 on Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:45 pm

Cynon wrote:I think we witnessed the final nail in the coffin for Bobby Labonte's career (hopefully)... hang it up, Bobby.
Because it's not like he was in the top-5 all day at New Hampshire, right? Oh...wait...he was.

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Sparkz47 wrote:Didn't even attempt a pass.

Boo.
Kes drove the hell out of that car on that last lap!
This.

I know we didn't want Kyle to win, but to take it out on Kes because he didn't pass him on the last turn on the last lap is bullshit.
And he did try, he hit the 18 in the final turn, but he got loose and nearly spun.
I know that, some people apparently don't.
He could have tried much harder. He barely stepped out of line and maybe touched Kyle's rear end once. I'm not suggesting he should have flat-out dumped him, but he had so many opportunities to bump him, get alongside him, and he could have just done so much more for that spot.

I don't mind Kyle winning as much as I do a potentially great finish that just didn't happen.
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Re: 2013 Cheez-it 355 at the Glen

Post by pennst24 on Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:53 pm

Sparkz47 wrote:
Cynon wrote:I think we witnessed the final nail in the coffin for Bobby Labonte's career (hopefully)... hang it up, Bobby.
Because it's not like he was in the top-5 all day at New Hampshire, right? Oh...wait...he was.
It was after lap 200 (not "all day"). All his run showed was the importance of clean air with these modern cars, because for him to stay up there for a while in JTG trash speaks more about the current state of the aero dependency in racing than it does about Bobby Labonte.
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Re: 2013 Cheez-it 355 at the Glen

Post by Sparkz47 on Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:02 pm

pennst24 wrote:
Sparkz47 wrote:
Cynon wrote:I think we witnessed the final nail in the coffin for Bobby Labonte's career (hopefully)... hang it up, Bobby.
Because it's not like he was in the top-5 all day at New Hampshire, right? Oh...wait...he was.
It was after lap 200 (not "all day"). All his run showed was the importance of clean air with these modern cars, because for him to stay up there for a while in JTG trash speaks more about the current state of the aero dependency in racing than it does about Bobby Labonte.
Allmendinger's 19th place finish at Michigan would like a word with you. If it's all due to areo-dependency then why isn't B-list equipment running up front consistently? Plus, the Glen has always been one of Dinger's specialties; he's never finished outside the top-15 at the track.
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Post by vbooy57 on Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:10 pm

Nascarboy426 wrote:Glad I went to this race. Pretty much what I expected, all-around good racing that got more and more crazy towards the end.

From what I'm hearing, the TV cameras didn't catch Brian K stalling and nearly wrecking the leaders in the early going.
I watched for all of 8 laps and couldn't help but notice poor coverage in general. ESPN seems to have quit. At the wreck between Vickers and Ambrose they finally noticed Vickers was involved after the 5th or 6th replay.
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Re: 2013 Cheez-it 355 at the Glen

Post by Mother of Invention on Mon Aug 12, 2013 9:52 am

pennst24 wrote:
Sparkz47 wrote:
Cynon wrote:I think we witnessed the final nail in the coffin for Bobby Labonte's career (hopefully)... hang it up, Bobby.
Because it's not like he was in the top-5 all day at New Hampshire, right? Oh...wait...he was.
It was after lap 200 (not "all day"). All his run showed was the importance of clean air with these modern cars, because for him to stay up there for a while in JTG trash speaks more about the current state of the aero dependency in racing than it does about Bobby Labonte.
 He was also up there on pit strategy which ended up backfiring on him in the long run.
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Re: 2013 Cheez-it 355 at the Glen

Post by PYLrulz on Mon Aug 12, 2013 1:24 pm

Sparkz47 wrote:
Cynon wrote:I think we witnessed the final nail in the coffin for Bobby Labonte's career (hopefully)... hang it up, Bobby.
Because it's not like he was in the top-5 all day at New Hampshire, right? Oh...wait...he was.
Kyle Petty's Top 5 finish at the Coke 600 in 2007 would like to have a word with you
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Re: 2013 Cheez-it 355 at the Glen

Post by SpeedDemon37 on Mon Aug 12, 2013 2:26 pm

Sparkz47 wrote:
navycook75 wrote:
Rykia_RKXK wrote:
navycook75 wrote:
Lucstar88 wrote:
Sparkz47 wrote:Didn't even attempt a pass.

Boo.
Kes drove the hell out of that car on that last lap!
This.

I know we didn't want Kyle to win, but to take it out on Kes because he didn't pass him on the last turn on the last lap is bullshit.
And he did try, he hit the 18 in the final turn, but he got loose and nearly spun.
I know that, some people apparently don't.
He could have tried much harder. He barely stepped out of line and maybe touched Kyle's rear end once. I'm not suggesting he should have flat-out dumped him, but he had so many opportunities to bump him, get alongside him, and he could have just done so much more for that spot.

I don't mind Kyle winning as much as I do a potentially great finish that just didn't happen.
I understand your point, but I'll add that Keselowski said in his interview something along the lines of wanting to be known not as someone who won the race or made the Chase, but as a good race car driver, and moving Busch aside, win or not, would not have done that.
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Re: 2013 Cheez-it 355 at the Glen

Post by Sparkz47 on Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:33 pm

PYLrulz wrote:
Sparkz47 wrote:
Cynon wrote:I think we witnessed the final nail in the coffin for Bobby Labonte's career (hopefully)... hang it up, Bobby.
Because it's not like he was in the top-5 all day at New Hampshire, right? Oh...wait...he was.
Kyle Petty's Top 5 finish at the Coke 600 in 2007 would like to have a word with you
My point is that AJ's good run in the 47 isn't unprecedented; it's been done, and saying "OMG BOOBY IZ FENESHED" after one good run in the car by Allmendinger is completely unfounded.
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Re: 2013 Cheez-it 355 at the Glen

Post by Alta on Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:44 pm

Allmendinger made the car look well where as Bobby just made it look like it was bizarre pit strategy. Nobody in their right mind would think Bobby did that legitimately.
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Post by Sparkz47 on Mon Aug 12, 2013 4:56 pm

Alta wrote:Allmendinger made the car look well where as Bobby just made it look like it was bizarre pit strategy. Nobody in their right mind would think Bobby did that legitimately.
I guess his 9th place at Martinsville last year was illegitimate as well?
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Re: 2013 Cheez-it 355 at the Glen

Post by Michael_McAndrew on Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:02 pm

Definitely a good race. Shame for Gordon to make the mistake like he said.. And I don't know if anyone else saw, but isn't this the third race in a row that Kvapil got wrecked by someone?

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Post by pennst24 on Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:06 pm

Sparkz47 wrote:
Alta wrote:Allmendinger made the car look well where as Bobby just made it look like it was bizarre pit strategy. Nobody in their right mind would think Bobby did that legitimately.
I guess his 9th place at Martinsville last year was illegitimate as well?
No. For some reason Bobby hasn't been the same since the 2003 finale at Homestead. That's not to say he hasn't had good runs since then, but he has hit a wall that all drivers hit late in their careers. Some of NASCAR's greats like Pearson, Petty, DW, Earnhardt all hit the same wall late in their careers where production slowed dramatically. You even see it today how Gordon and Burton can still win races but not with the frequency as early in their careers. Every single driver declines toward the end of their career. All Bobby is doing is suffering in terrible equipment when he could go retire or run trucks and still save his reputation.
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Re: 2013 Cheez-it 355 at the Glen

Post by Alta on Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:15 pm

Sparkz47 wrote:
Alta wrote:Allmendinger made the car look well where as Bobby just made it look like it was bizarre pit strategy. Nobody in their right mind would think Bobby did that legitimately.
I guess his 9th place at Martinsville last year was illegitimate as well?
Martinsville is synonymous with wrecking so yes.
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Post by day500champ1 on Mon Aug 12, 2013 5:18 pm

pennst24 wrote:
Sparkz47 wrote:
Alta wrote:Allmendinger made the car look well where as Bobby just made it look like it was bizarre pit strategy. Nobody in their right mind would think Bobby did that legitimately.
I guess his 9th place at Martinsville last year was illegitimate as well?
No. For some reason Bobby hasn't been the same since the 2003 finale at Homestead. That's not to say he hasn't had good runs since then, but he has hit a wall that all drivers hit late in their careers. Some of NASCAR's greats like Pearson, Petty, DW, Earnhardt all hit the same wall late in their careers where production slowed dramatically. You even see it today how Gordon and Burton can still win races but not with the frequency as early in their careers. Every single driver declines toward the end of their career. All Bobby is doing is suffering in terrible equipment when he could go retire or run trucks and still save his reputation.
Honestly I think what Bobby needs to do is go the route Ken Schrader did. Go dirt racing. You get to still race and go back to having fun. JTG has never been a really good race team. Their best finishes have been on the road course events, mainly because of who they had driving for them. I like the fact Bobby doesn't want to quit, but like Eichholtz said he's reached a point where the competition is harder to beat and where equipment is becoming a premium.
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Post by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) on Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:37 am

Michael_McAndrew wrote:Definitely a good race. Shame for Gordon to make the mistake like he said.. And I don't know if anyone else saw, but isn't this the third race in a row that Kvapil got wrecked by someone?
 No.
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Post by flyingturns89 on Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:28 am

Sparkz47 wrote:
Alta wrote:Allmendinger made the car look well where as Bobby just made it look like it was bizarre pit strategy. Nobody in their right mind would think Bobby did that legitimately.
I guess his 9th place at Martinsville last year was illegitimate as well?
Sparkz, you can point out every single good run, but let me give you numbers.

Bobby has 115 career top five finishes. How many of them have come from a car not owned by Joe Gibbs? Six. Five of which of happened in the last seven and a half seasons. Bobby has been winless since 2003, and missed only two races since then, both of which were this year. That's over 300 races without a win. Since 2007, Bobby has been unable to score more than three top ten finishes a year. His points position is struggling too. A driver that almost made the Chase in 2004, has finished in the top 25 in points only once in the last four years. Since leaving Joe Gibbs Racing, Bobby has led only 119 laps, including a career low one lap last year. He has struggled with Petty, Hall Of Fame Racing, TRG, Phoenix, and JTG. Sure, he has a good run or two every once in a while, but that doesn't matter when the rest of the season is just 20th-30th place finishes.
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Post by BWard on Tue Aug 13, 2013 5:39 am

flyingturns89 wrote:
Sparkz47 wrote:
Alta wrote:Allmendinger made the car look well where as Bobby just made it look like it was bizarre pit strategy. Nobody in their right mind would think Bobby did that legitimately.
I guess his 9th place at Martinsville last year was illegitimate as well?
Sparkz, you can point out every single good run, but let me give you numbers.

Bobby has 115 career top five finishes. How many of them have come from a car not owned by Joe Gibbs? Six. Five of which of happened in the last seven and a half seasons. Bobby has been winless since 2003, and missed only two races since then, both of which were this year. That's over 300 races without a win. Since 2007, Bobby has been unable to score more than three top ten finishes a year. His points position is struggling too. A driver that almost made the Chase in 2004, has finished in the top 25 in points only once in the last four years. Since leaving Joe Gibbs Racing, Bobby has led only 119 laps, including a career low one lap last year. He has struggled with Petty, Hall Of Fame Racing, TRG, Phoenix, and JTG. Sure, he has a good run or two every once in a while, but that doesn't matter when the rest of the season is just 20th-30th place finishes.
Hasn't Labonte actually made any plans yet to call it a career?
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Post by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) on Tue Aug 13, 2013 9:19 am

flyingturns89 wrote:
Sparkz47 wrote:
Alta wrote:Allmendinger made the car look well where as Bobby just made it look like it was bizarre pit strategy. Nobody in their right mind would think Bobby did that legitimately.
I guess his 9th place at Martinsville last year was illegitimate as well?
Sparkz, you can point out every single good run, but let me give you numbers.

Bobby has 115 career top five finishes. How many of them have come from a car not owned by Joe Gibbs? Six. Five of which of happened in the last seven and a half seasons. Bobby has been winless since 2003, and missed only two races since then, both of which were this year. That's over 300 races without a win. Since 2007, Bobby has been unable to score more than three top ten finishes a year. His points position is struggling too. A driver that almost made the Chase in 2004, has finished in the top 25 in points only once in the last four years. Since leaving Joe Gibbs Racing, Bobby has led only 119 laps, including a career low one lap last year. He has struggled with Petty, Hall Of Fame Racing, TRG, Phoenix, and JTG. Sure, he has a good run or two every once in a while, but that doesn't matter when the rest of the season is just 20th-30th place finishes.
Another problem is the teams you listed are horse$hit. Petty proves great drivers don't make great owners, HoF are dead, TRG NASCAR are dead, Phoenix was about to die until being sold, and JTG are trash.
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Re: 2013 Cheez-it 355 at the Glen

Post by Sparkz47 on Tue Aug 13, 2013 4:22 pm

flyingturns89 wrote:
Sparkz47 wrote:
Alta wrote:Allmendinger made the car look well where as Bobby just made it look like it was bizarre pit strategy. Nobody in their right mind would think Bobby did that legitimately.
I guess his 9th place at Martinsville last year was illegitimate as well?
Sparkz, you can point out every single good run, but let me give you numbers.

Bobby has 115 career top five finishes. How many of them have come from a car not owned by Joe Gibbs? Six. Five of which of happened in the last seven and a half seasons. Bobby has been winless since 2003, and missed only two races since then, both of which were this year. That's over 300 races without a win. Since 2007, Bobby has been unable to score more than three top ten finishes a year. His points position is struggling too. A driver that almost made the Chase in 2004, has finished in the top 25 in points only once in the last four years. Since leaving Joe Gibbs Racing, Bobby has led only 119 laps, including a career low one lap last year. He has struggled with Petty, Hall Of Fame Racing, TRG, Phoenix, and JTG. Sure, he has a good run or two every once in a while, but that doesn't matter when the rest of the season is just 20th-30th place finishes.
Yeah...that's my whole point...he's been thrust into crap equipment and then subsequently blamed when that crap equipment fails him. I'm only comparing his results in the #47 with Allmendinger's. Everyone on the forums is acting like Allmendinger blew Labonte out of the water with his run at Watkins Glen, and my point is that Labonte has done the same several times in the past few years. Adding that Allmendinger's other finish in the 47 was 19th place, he's right on par with Labonte. My point being: it doesn't matter who is in that car, it's never going to be a winning machine. Don't go shitting all over Bobby because he can't polish a turd into gold.
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Re: 2013 Cheez-it 355 at the Glen

Post by Alta on Tue Aug 13, 2013 7:23 pm

Sparkz47 wrote:
flyingturns89 wrote:
Sparkz47 wrote:
Alta wrote:Allmendinger made the car look well where as Bobby just made it look like it was bizarre pit strategy. Nobody in their right mind would think Bobby did that legitimately.
I guess his 9th place at Martinsville last year was illegitimate as well?
Sparkz, you can point out every single good run, but let me give you numbers.

Bobby has 115 career top five finishes. How many of them have come from a car not owned by Joe Gibbs? Six. Five of which of happened in the last seven and a half seasons. Bobby has been winless since 2003, and missed only two races since then, both of which were this year. That's over 300 races without a win. Since 2007, Bobby has been unable to score more than three top ten finishes a year. His points position is struggling too. A driver that almost made the Chase in 2004, has finished in the top 25 in points only once in the last four years. Since leaving Joe Gibbs Racing, Bobby has led only 119 laps, including a career low one lap last year. He has struggled with Petty, Hall Of Fame Racing, TRG, Phoenix, and JTG. Sure, he has a good run or two every once in a while, but that doesn't matter when the rest of the season is just 20th-30th place finishes.
Yeah...that's my whole point...he's been thrust into crap equipment and then subsequently blamed when that crap equipment fails him. I'm only comparing his results in the #47 with Allmendinger's. Everyone on the forums is acting like Allmendinger blew Labonte out of the water with his run at Watkins Glen, and my point is that Labonte has done the same several times in the past few years. Adding that Allmendinger's other finish in the 47 was 19th place, he's right on par with Labonte. My point being: it doesn't matter who is in that car, it's never going to be a winning machine. Don't go shitting all over Bobby because he can't polish a turd into gold.
If Bobby still had the stuff he would be able to bring the car up towards good runs on a somewhat decent basis. See Kurt Busch....Despite being a wrecking ball at points...He was giving the 51 runs it hadn't seen in the team's history.
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