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That comment Logano made was poorly timed he likely meant Denny needed to be wrecked, i totally agree with with RACERCAR

So much to take in from today's race. Joey's comments were certainly childish and a little uncalled for, but I don't think the way he raced was. He and Hamlin were racing for the win, and considering what's gone on between the two of them the past week, I don't think he was going to be too tolerant of him anyways. Nevertheless, I really hope Denny's okay.

Tony Stewart just lost a ton of the respect I had for him. Kurt Busch (who, by the way, had an awesome surge at the end) is the only person that I would ever expect to say something like that... maybe...

Logano has made another comment, now knowing that Hamlin is hurt, and it's as ignorant as the first.

It was just racing for the lead. I guess we're even now. He'll think twice before he does something next time.

Something tells me he'll be getting the "This sport was here before, and will be after you. We don't need you." talk from NASCAR.

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flyingturns89 wrote:Logano has made another comment, now knowing that Hamlin is hurt, and it's as ignorant as the first.

It was just racing for the lead. I guess we're even now. He'll think twice before he does something next time.

Something tells me he'll be getting the "This sport was here before, and will be after you. We don't need you." talk from NASCAR.

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This is NASCAR, where their inconsistency is BAD

flyingturns89 wrote:Logano has made another comment, now knowing that Hamlin is hurt, and it's as ignorant as the first.

It was just racing for the lead. I guess we're even now. He'll think twice before he does something next time.

Something tells me he'll be getting the "This sport was here before, and will be after you. We don't need you." talk from NASCAR.

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No "I hope he's okay"; no "I'm sorry I sent him to the hospital"; not even a "I didn't mean to hurt him". Any and all respect I ever had for Logano (which wasn't a lot to begin with) has just been thrown out the window.

Thought of something...
WHY wasn't there a SAFER barrier on the inside wall? Did they really didn't think that anyone wouldn't crash there...

Lucstar88 wrote:Thought of something...
WHY wasn't there a SAFER barrier on the inside wall? Did they really didn't think that anyone wouldn't crash there...

It's a really awkward spot to crash into, so I bet that, while they thought people would smack it from time to time, they weren't expecting someone to slam head-on into it like Hamlin did.

Lucstar88 wrote:Thought of something...
WHY wasn't there a SAFER barrier on the inside wall? Did they really didn't think that anyone wouldn't crash there...

I don't get that either. How did they not think maybe that part might need to be fixed, especially with that incline that leads right into the wall?

I fail to understand how Logano running into Hamlin going into three wasn't intentional. He clearly said in his interview, "He shouldn't have wrecked me, that's what he deserves," and the only time I saw him get loose was after he hit Hamlin. Logano's comment after they told him Hamlin was taken to the hospital was very childish. He should be penalized for that, in my opinion.

The thing with Stewart, I get why he's mad, but I don't think he needed to throw punches at Logano. It's one thing to block on a restart, and its another to nearly run the person you're blocking into the grass. Stewart's antics were still a bit extreme.

Logano, Stewart, and Hamlin should be all parked next week.

As Boris Said once, er, said, Logano was totally unprofessional...and he's a chump. The comments he made were unacceptable. There's a growing group of drivers who are itching to go Jamie Melo on his sorry a**. Stewart, Logano, and Hamlin should all be given stern penalties for unsportsmanlike conduct.

It looks like Sliced Bread

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might be toast.

EDIT: I realize how this might seem like I'm making light of the incident. I'm making fun of Logano's apparent meltdown and snapping under the pressure. I will not remove it even though I realize I'm a dolt, so others may learn from my stupidity.

I'm not a Hamlin fan, but I hope he's all right. He certainly didn't "deserve" to be taken out like that. As for Logano, I knew he'd mess this up. He does not fit my definition of a Penske driver. He is nowhere near Kez's level in terms of talent or guts. When The Captain wises up and tosses Logano overboard, he needs to go back to ARCA and stay there. He's not even worthy of a ride at Front Row alongside The Davids of Mediocrity.

What Logano did was a bitch move, and his comments were way out of line. He just became my most hated driver in NASCAR, if not in all of motorsport.

Cardinals5 wrote:It looks like Sliced Bread

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might be toast.

>:[

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Logano, Stewart, and Hamlin should be all parked next week.

That's a decent idea...
NELSON 4 NASCAR CEO!!! lol

crl wrote:I'm not a Hamlin fan, but I hope he's all right. He certainly didn't "deserve" to be taken out like that. As for Logano, I knew he'd mess this up. He does not fit my definition of a Penske driver. He is nowhere near Kez's level in terms of talent or guts. When The Captain wises up and tosses Logano overboard, he needs to go back to ARCA and stay there. He's not even worthy of a ride at Front Row alongside The Davids of Mediocrity.

Funny thing is, it was Keseloski that lobbied Penske to get Logano. So the question I initially had of "what exactly does Brad see in him?" suddenly comes back up.

flyingturns89 wrote:Logano has made another comment, now knowing that Hamlin is hurt, and it's as ignorant as the first.

It was just racing for the lead. I guess we're even now. He'll think twice before he does something next time.

Something tells me he'll be getting the "This sport was here before, and will be after you. We don't need you." talk from NASCAR.

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Before i chastise Logano, That quote is so similar to the 1st that i think it's actually the first comment.

If not then Logano can GTFO, There's not realizing someone is injured and then there's being a spoiled brat. Sure it was hard racing but don't be a damn twat about it afterwards.

If Nascar wants to test how violent of a wreck you can have at Martinsville then they'll do jack shit but if they want to break up these childish games then they'll bring down the hammer on all three (if Hamlin isn't going to be sidelined already)

RACECAR wrote:

Lucstar88 wrote:Thought of something...
WHY wasn't there a SAFER barrier on the inside wall? Did they really didn't think that anyone wouldn't crash there...

I don't get that either. How did they not think maybe that part might need to be fixed, especially with that incline that leads right into the wall?

I was wondering the same thing when I first saw the accident. Why was that incline there to begin with? In my opinion, that's poor planning. I guess they thought nobody would get themselves into a position to hit a wall that far out of the way, but the simple answer to that is they should've learned from the Daytona dirt embankment in the late 80's and early 90's, and the Bristol gate that Mike Harmon and Michael Waltrip hit in Turn 2.

Alta wrote:

Cardinals5 wrote:It looks like Sliced Bread

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might be toast.

>:[

Yeah, that. ^

flyingturns89 wrote:Logano has made another comment, now knowing that Hamlin is hurt, and it's as ignorant as the first.

It was just racing for the lead. I guess we're even now. He'll think twice before he does something next time.

Something tells me he'll be getting the "This sport was here before, and will be after you. We don't need you." talk from NASCAR.

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With a comment like that, he now deserves ANY and ALL forms of retaliation

PYLrulz wrote:

flyingturns89 wrote:Logano has made another comment, now knowing that Hamlin is hurt, and it's as ignorant as the first.

It was just racing for the lead. I guess we're even now. He'll think twice before he does something next time.

Something tells me he'll be getting the "This sport was here before, and will be after you. We don't need you." talk from NASCAR.

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With a comment like that, he now deserves ANY and ALL forms of retaliation

I remember seeing someone on FaceBook say that all debts will be settled at Martinsville...

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Logano, Stewart, and Hamlin should be all parked next week.

Wait, why should Hamlin be parked? What did he do?

Sparkz47 wrote:

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Logano, Stewart, and Hamlin should be all parked next week.

Wait, why should Hamlin be parked? What did he do?

Cause he started all of this s*** @ Bristol...

PYLrulz wrote:

flyingturns89 wrote:Logano has made another comment, now knowing that Hamlin is hurt, and it's as ignorant as the first.

It was just racing for the lead. I guess we're even now. He'll think twice before he does something next time.

Something tells me he'll be getting the "This sport was here before, and will be after you. We don't need you." talk from NASCAR.

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With a comment like that, he now deserves ANY and ALL forms of retaliation

I feel like that was exactly what he said during the interview and it's just been reposted on Sporting News. I could be wrong, though.

Actually, reading the article on Sporting News, that's exactly what it seems like.

NASCAR might do something about this. Or they might not. For all I can tell, they might fine Denny for not doing a post-race interview. Honestly, who knows with them any more. Logano won't get penalized as long as Denny can race, but he's going to have a hard time doing well, now that he has a target on his back bigger than the one on Montoya's.

By The Way....
Logano had a great race, better than Keselowski, Logano has the talent... that's what got him here (NASCAR) in the 1st place...

RACECAR wrote:

Lucstar88 wrote:Thought of something...
WHY wasn't there a SAFER barrier on the inside wall? Did they really didn't think that anyone wouldn't crash there...

I don't get that either. How did they not think maybe that part might need to be fixed, especially with that incline that leads right into the wall?

One thing I've learned from watching 10 years' worth of NR2003 crash videos is that when designing a track, always assume that everything will be hit from every angle at some point.

Lucstar88 wrote:By The Way....
Logano had a great race, better than Keselowski, Logano has the talent... that's what got him here (NASCAR) in the 1st place...

Matt Kenseth says Hi.

Sparkz47 wrote:

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Logano, Stewart, and Hamlin should be all parked next week.

Wait, why should Hamlin be parked? What did he do?

I would honestly put Hamlin on Probation. Cause if he's 100% by Marty i'm almost sure we're seeing Part 3 of this crazy feud.

Lucstar88 wrote:

Sparkz47 wrote:

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Logano, Stewart, and Hamlin should be all parked next week.

Wait, why should Hamlin be parked? What did he do?

Cause he started all of this s*** @ Bristol...

Spinning a guy around once at Bristol is miles out from wrecking someone into a concrete wall head-on at a 1.5 mile track, sending him to the hospital, and then saying "that's what he gets". Denny might have made the first move, but he's been trying his best to ignore it since then, and shouldn't be held responsible for this.

Mystrsyko wrote:

RACECAR wrote:

Lucstar88 wrote:Thought of something...
WHY wasn't there a SAFER barrier on the inside wall? Did they really didn't think that anyone wouldn't crash there...

I don't get that either. How did they not think maybe that part might need to be fixed, especially with that incline that leads right into the wall?

One thing I've learned from watching 10 years' worth of NR2003 crash videos is that when designing a track, always assume that everything will be hit from every angle at some point.

That would be common sense, which often gets overruled by money when it comes to safety in motorsports. Thankfully that trend seems to be reversing but the attitude of "Well if someone hits this, it would hurt a lot but how likely is that?" still prevails.

Sparkz47 wrote:

Lucstar88 wrote:

Sparkz47 wrote:

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Logano, Stewart, and Hamlin should be all parked next week.

Wait, why should Hamlin be parked? What did he do?

Cause he started all of this s*** @ Bristol...

Spinning a guy around once at Bristol is miles out from wrecking someone into a concrete wall head-on at a 1.5 mile track, sending him to the hospital, and then saying "that's what he gets". Denny might have made the first move, but he's been trying his best to ignore it since then, and shouldn't be held responsible for this.

I agree with the comment... but
1. That was a complete coincidence that Hamlin hit exactly that spot... Harmon @ Bristol (I Think)
2. There should of been a SAFER barrier (or a least something) on that wall

I've always believed that an outcome-based punishment system should be used. Meaning that "roughing up" a competitor's car isn't going to get you as tough a punishment as crashing them out of the race. And that gets less of a punishment than causing a crash that takes out multiple cars. No driver intends for their actions to go that far, but they have no control over whether or not they will, so it acts as a deterrent. Pulling in front of someone to fight them (like Stewart) would be much more common than hooking someone head on into a wall (like Kyle Busch) because the former has almost zero chance of having unintended consequences.

Mystrsyko wrote:I've always believed that an outcome-based punishment system should be used. Meaning that "roughing up" a competitor's car isn't going to get you as tough a punishment as crashing them out of the race. And that gets less of a punishment than causing a crash that takes out multiple cars. No driver intends for their actions to go that far, but they have no control over whether or not they will, so it acts as a deterrent. Pulling in front of someone to fight them (like Stewart) would be much more common than hooking someone head on into a wall (like Kyle Busch) because the former has almost zero chance of having unintended consequences.

How about ruining a driver's championship hopes? *coughs*

Lucstar88 wrote:By The Way....
Logano had a great race, better than Keselowski, Logano has the talent... that's what got him here (NASCAR) in the 1st place...

I take it that you haven't heard the story about his dad putting so much money into getting Logano getting into NASCAR. Tony Stewart said the same thing about it in one of his interviews after the race.

Honestly, Joey Logano has my blood boiling at this point from his comments alone. He has no right to say such dumb remarks. He drove like hell to stay up front, I'll give him that, but he needs to grow up (I'm sure a few drivers are planning on taking care of that themselves at some point). It's safe to say that after today, Logano's officially #1 on my most hated drivers list.

Lucstar88 wrote:By The Way....
Logano had a great race, better than Keselowski, Logano has the talent... that's what got him here (NASCAR) in the 1st place...

He's here because of his rich daddy. Talent has nothing to do with it. See how he flopped at Gibbs? How'd the driver before him do? And how's the one after him doing? Logano ain't shit. Fontana's not exactly a track that tests driver skill. Maybe in and IndyCar, but not a NASCAR car.

Lucstar88 wrote:[How about ruining a driver's championship hopes? *coughs*

The list is really endless. The sanctioning body can have as many "layers" of punishment as they like. I always hate how in road racing drivers get "avoidable contact" penalties when the contact in question affects neither car. But then in some cases a driver causes a huge crash that eliminates many cars, perhaps injures someone, and they either get out free or get an "avoidable contact" penalty. In this case, if NASCAR determines that Logano intentionally drove into the side of Denny Hamlin, thus causing the crash, he would receive a penalty like "intentionally causing a crash, resulting in injury", which would carry a more severe punishment than if Hamlin had hopped out just fine.

Mystrsyko wrote:I've always believed that an outcome-based punishment system should be used. Meaning that "roughing up" a competitor's car isn't going to get you as tough a punishment as crashing them out of the race. And that gets less of a punishment than causing a crash that takes out multiple cars. No driver intends for their actions to go that far, but they have no control over whether or not they will, so it acts as a deterrent. Pulling in front of someone to fight them (like Stewart) would be much more common than hooking someone head on into a wall (like Kyle Busch) because the former has almost zero chance of having unintended consequences.

Well, pulling in front of someone can cause issues (see Harvick v. Busch at Darlington in 2011).

I think "boys, have at it" is fine in principle. It's allowed the drivers to be more aggressive and actually fosters rivalries, which the sport needs. Unfortunately, it also leads to crap like what happened today.

Plus, I don't think NASCAR would risk the TV ratings bump that will inevitably come from a controversial finish. That's why they hype every nonsensical "feud", in hopes that it will blow up like Joey v. Denny seems to have.

Besides, if Gordon didn't get suspended after Phoenix for a deliberate incident, Logano will not be suspended for an incident that CAN be argued as accidental. Not that I trust NASCAR to fairly dole out punishments for anything.




Of course this is NASCAR we're talking about, so who knows.

crl wrote:

Lucstar88 wrote:By The Way....
Logano had a great race, better than Keselowski, Logano has the talent... that's what got him here (NASCAR) in the 1st place...

He's here because of his rich daddy. Talent has nothing to do with it. See how he flopped at Gibbs? How'd the driver before him do? And how's the one after him doing? Logano ain't shit. Fontana's not exactly a track that tests driver skill. Maybe in and IndyCar, but not a NASCAR car.

K didn't know that... but he's honestly doing better at Penske this year, than getting the short end of the stick @ JGR (in CUP)

Lucstar88 wrote:

Sparkz47 wrote:

Lucstar88 wrote:

Sparkz47 wrote:

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Logano, Stewart, and Hamlin should be all parked next week.

Wait, why should Hamlin be parked? What did he do?

Cause he started all of this s*** @ Bristol...

Spinning a guy around once at Bristol is miles out from wrecking someone into a concrete wall head-on at a 1.5 mile track, sending him to the hospital, and then saying "that's what he gets". Denny might have made the first move, but he's been trying his best to ignore it since then, and shouldn't be held responsible for this.

I agree with the comment... but
1. That was a complete coincidence that Hamlin hit exactly that spot... Harmon @ Bristol (I Think)
2. There should of been a SAFER barrier (or a least something) on that wall

You all seem to fail to realise that technically everyone is parked next week.

Mystrsyko wrote:

Lucstar88 wrote:[How about ruining a driver's championship hopes? *coughs*

The list is really endless. The sanctioning body can have as many "layers" of punishment as they like. I always hate how in road racing drivers get "avoidable contact" penalties when the contact in question affects neither car. But then in some cases a driver causes a huge crash that eliminates many cars, perhaps injures someone, and they either get out free or get an "avoidable contact" penalty. In this case, if NASCAR determines that Logano intentionally drove into the side of Denny Hamlin, thus causing the crash, he would receive a penalty like "intentionally causing a crash, resulting in injury", which would carry a more severe punishment than if Hamlin had hopped out just fine.

I assume whether the incident was intentional or not would always factor into it, correct? Otherwise, drivers in situations like Sterling Marlin in 2001 would have to be kicked out of the sport.

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:

Lucstar88 wrote:

Sparkz47 wrote:

Lucstar88 wrote:

Sparkz47 wrote:

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Logano, Stewart, and Hamlin should be all parked next week.

Wait, why should Hamlin be parked? What did he do?

Cause he started all of this s*** @ Bristol...

Spinning a guy around once at Bristol is miles out from wrecking someone into a concrete wall head-on at a 1.5 mile track, sending him to the hospital, and then saying "that's what he gets". Denny might have made the first move, but he's been trying his best to ignore it since then, and shouldn't be held responsible for this.

I agree with the comment... but
1. That was a complete coincidence that Hamlin hit exactly that spot... Harmon @ Bristol (I Think)
2. There should of been a SAFER barrier (or a least something) on that wall

You all seem to fail to realise that technically everyone is parked next week.

Wow... *pulls white flag & waves it*

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:You all seem to fail to realise that technically everyone is parked next week.

Damn it, Nelson, that was good.

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:

Lucstar88 wrote:

Sparkz47 wrote:

Lucstar88 wrote:

Sparkz47 wrote:

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Logano, Stewart, and Hamlin should be all parked next week.

Wait, why should Hamlin be parked? What did he do?

Cause he started all of this s*** @ Bristol...

Spinning a guy around once at Bristol is miles out from wrecking someone into a concrete wall head-on at a 1.5 mile track, sending him to the hospital, and then saying "that's what he gets". Denny might have made the first move, but he's been trying his best to ignore it since then, and shouldn't be held responsible for this.

I agree with the comment... but
1. That was a complete coincidence that Hamlin hit exactly that spot... Harmon @ Bristol (I Think)
2. There should of been a SAFER barrier (or a least something) on that wall

You all seem to fail to realise that technically everyone is parked next week.

>tfw literally no racing at all next week.

I could have won this race, but I was too worried about wrecking Denny - Joey Logano

I could have won this race, but I was too worried about wrecking Joey - Denny Hamlin

All I have to say about this ordeal.

bartman97 wrote:I could have won this race, but I was too worried about wrecking Denny - Joey Logano

I could have won this race, but I was too worried about wrecking Joey - Denny Hamlin

All I have to say about this ordeal.

I won this race, it seems that Denny and Joey were too worried about wrecking each other.-Kyle Busch

Also were there any reports on any kind of injury that Denny Hamlin might have suffered?

BWardboy88 wrote:Also were there any reports on any kind of injury that Denny Hamlin might have suffered?

Back pain

Yeah, Hes Being Kept Overnight.

Expect Mcdowell to be in the 11 if Hamlin cant Race at Martinsville, but i expect him to be in the car , especially since the next race is in 2 weeks.

I highly doubt McDowell would be put in the car when JGR has Sadler now, although I wish that was the case...

Lucstar88 wrote:By The Way....
Logano had a great race, better than Keselowski, Logano has the talent... that's what got him here (NASCAR) in the 1st place...

No... What got him in NASCAR was money. His dad bought him a ride at Joe Gibbs to start his career. Talent did not get Logano to NASCAR, it did however get Brad Keselowski here. Logano has been in good quality rides his entire career whereas Brad Keselowski started driving Trucks for his dad's small teams and then went to Nationwide a few years later and ran in start & park cars.