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Post by Milan655 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:00 pm

2012's Race of Champions will see it's most internationally diverse championship with nations across Europe, North America and Asia competing for the coveted World Cup of Motorsport as they head to Bangkok this weekend. The ROC will be introducing the ROC Asia championship on the Friday which will determine which nation will fill the empty spot in the nations cup, whilst the winning drivers will be placed into the Race of Champions. However, the first event to be seen on the day will be the ROC Thailand, with 4 Thai drivers competing for two spots in the Race of Champions, and will also determine which two Thai drivers will represent their nation in the Nation's Cup. Thailand, represented mostly in motorsport by the likes of former Grand Prix winner, Princa Bira, WEC LMP2 runner up, Tor Graves, and Red Bull, will see Tin Sritrai, Nattavude Charoensukawattana, Nattapong Horthongkum and 'Kiki' Sak Nana competing for the historic opportunity to represent Thailand at home.

Tin Sritrai, the youngest at 24, has emerged into single seaters after 12 years in karting, including two championships in the Asian Karting Open Championship in 2008 and 2009, and has finished as a runner up in the Asian Formula Renault 2.0 championship in 2010, only beaten by Sandy Stuvik, another talented Thai youngster who turned 17 in April of this year. His other success is a 5th place in the Formula Pilota China series, competing against the likes of Matheo Tuscher (2012 F2 runner-up), Robert Visoiu (14th in 2012 GP3) and Riccardo Agostini (2012 Italian F3 Champion). He receded back to the SuperCar Thailand championship, where he has seen some success.

Nattavude Charoensukawattana, 49, another SuperCar Thailand driver, was the 2010 Champion in the SuperCar Thailand championship, securing 5 wins and 7 podiums across 8 races, and competes for the Toyota works team. Alongside him as his team mate is Nattapong Horthongkum, who finished 2nd in 2010 with 1 race win and 7 podiums, and previously featured in Formula BMW Asia, where he finished 4th in 2003 behind champion Ho-Pin Tung. 'Kiki' Sak Nana is a Red Bull sponsored driver, competing in the SuperCar Thailand championship with their sponsorship, as well as in such drifting championships as Formula D, also under Red Bull sponsorship.

Now, a look at the groups:

ROC Asia:
China (Han Han, Ho Pin Tung), India (Narain Karthikeyan, Karun Chandhock), Japan (Kazuya Oshima, Takuto Iguchi) and Thailand (winners of ROC Thailand).

ROC Nations Cup (Saturday event):
Group A:
Team AllStars/Denmark and Spain (Tom Kristensen, Jorge Lorenzo)
Team Americas/USA and Mexico (Benito Guerra, Hunter-Reay)
Team France (Grosjean, Sebastien Ogier)
Team GB (Coulthard and Priaulx)

Group B:
Team Australia (Doohan, Whincup)
Team Germany (Schumi, Vettel)
Team Thailand
ROC Asia Winner/Runner-Up

Race of Champions:
Group A:
Ogier, Whincup, Coulthard, Guerra

Group B:
Kristensen, Priaulx, Thailand 1, Asia 1

Group C:
Vettel, Lorenzo, Doohan, Thailand 2

Group D:
Schumacher, Hunter-Reay, Grosjean, Asia 2

So, who do you predict to win? For ROC Nations, Germany, and for Race of Champions I would like Lorenzo or one of the Thai drivers Smile I gratefully am able to see this due to the incredibly cheap tickets (5000Baht=US$160/£100)!
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Re: Red Bull Singha Race Of Champions 2012, Bangkok

Post by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) on Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:41 pm

Doohan hasn't been a pro racer for years. We should of got someone else e.g. Webber, Ricciardo, Power, Lowndes, etc.
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Re: Red Bull Singha Race Of Champions 2012, Bangkok

Post by Alta on Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:03 pm

>Race of Champions
>Not Race of Failures
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Re: Red Bull Singha Race Of Champions 2012, Bangkok

Post by Cynon on Fri Dec 14, 2012 8:18 am

There's not too many champions here. Even IROC did better than this. No

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Re: Red Bull Singha Race Of Champions 2012, Bangkok

Post by BWard on Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:55 am

Cynon wrote:There's not too many champions here. Even IROC did better than this. No

IROC was so much better, Race of Champions is good but not greater than IROC.
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Re: Red Bull Singha Race Of Champions 2012, Bangkok

Post by PYLrulz on Fri Dec 14, 2012 2:40 pm

Cynon wrote:There's not too many champions here. Even IROC did better than this. No

This. Who was in charge of trying to wrangle together drivers for this event?!? They did a horrid job!
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Re: Red Bull Singha Race Of Champions 2012, Bangkok

Post by Jason Hamilton on Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:02 pm

That is quite a weak field I think
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Re: Red Bull Singha Race Of Champions 2012, Bangkok

Post by Milan655 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:46 pm

PYLrulz wrote:
Cynon wrote:There's not too many champions here. Even IROC did better than this. No

This. Who was in charge of trying to wrangle together drivers for this event?!? They did a horrid job!

I agree with the fact it is a weak field, but you can't blame the organisers really. Due to the way contracts are formed, in some cases drivers are disallowed to drive outside of their contracted championships, and in the case where a driver is in a factory team is not allowed to drive a car other than the one which they are set to drive in whatever they are contracted to; this is the case with Ferrari, and was the case while Coulthard was at Mclaren (he could only drive Mercedes by contract.) But to be honest, there are still some good drivers and they are much better than what was seen in IROC really, if you compare:

2012 RoC
Tom Kristensen-1 ALMS, 8 Le Mans 24 Hours, 6 12 Hours of Sebring,
Jorge Lorenzo-2 Moto GP championships (Red Bull)
Benito Guerra-2012 Production WRC Champion
Ryan Hunter-Reay-2012 Indy Car champion
Romain Grosjean-3 F1 podiums, 2011 GP2 champion
Sebastien Ogier-2008 Junior WRC champion (Red Bull)
David Coulthard-Multiple F1 race winner (Red Bull)
Andy Priaulx-2 time WTCC champion
Mick Doohan-MotoGP legend, 5 championships MotoGP
Jamie Whincup-4 V8 Supercar championships
Michael Schumacher-7 time Formula 1 world champion, most succesful driver in history
Sebastien Vettel-3 time F1 champion, currently one of the worlds best

30th IROC
Ted Musgrave-1 Truck championship
Mark Martin-Runner Up 5 times in Sprint Cup
Sam Hornish, Jr.- 3 time IRL champion
Martin Truex Jr.- 2 times Busch Champion
Scott Sharp-1996 IRL Champion
Wayne Taylor/Max Angelelli-Nothing to note
Steve Kinser-WoO Legend
Ryan Newman-6th in Sprint Cup 3 times
Max Papis-Former F1 driver, 5th in CART 1999
Matt Kenseth-2003 Sprint Cup champion
Tony Stewart-3 time Sprint Cup champion
Frank Kimmel-4 time ARCA Champion

I struggle to understand why it was called the "International" Race of Champions-they were only champions in the US scratch

In any case, Thailand did incredibly and it was very great fun. A lot of people were here as well!
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Re: Red Bull Singha Race Of Champions 2012, Bangkok

Post by Chives2112 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:59 pm

Didn't Mark Martin get into IROC because of his 4 ASA National Championships? He also won 5 IROC Championships. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Razz

I guess why IROC still had "International" in their name was because when it first started out, it had several international drivers. I could be wrong, though.
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Re: Red Bull Singha Race Of Champions 2012, Bangkok

Post by Alta on Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:03 pm

Milan655 wrote:
PYLrulz wrote:
Cynon wrote:There's not too many champions here. Even IROC did better than this. No

This. Who was in charge of trying to wrangle together drivers for this event?!? They did a horrid job!

I agree with the fact it is a weak field, but you can't blame the organisers really. Due to the way contracts are formed, in some cases drivers are disallowed to drive outside of their contracted championships, and in the case where a driver is in a factory team is not allowed to drive a car other than the one which they are set to drive in whatever they are contracted to; this is the case with Ferrari, and was the case while Coulthard was at Mclaren (he could only drive Mercedes by contract.) But to be honest, there are still some good drivers and they are much better than what was seen in IROC really, if you compare:

2012 RoC
Tom Kristensen-1 ALMS, 8 Le Mans 24 Hours, 6 12 Hours of Sebring, - Kristensen belongs. Had great runs in big endurance races and finished 2nd FIA Endurance
Jorge Lorenzo-2 Moto GP championships (Red Bull) - He deserves to be in. This year's MotoGP champion
Benito Guerra-2012 Production WRC Champion - Miss two races and still won...hmmm...He was pretty crappy in WRC so not sure if agree.
Ryan Hunter-Reay-2012 Indy Car champion - Hunter-Reay deserves in off the surprising championship
Romain Grosjean-3 F1 podiums, 2011 GP2 champion - Highly disagree with this one. Grosjean was a wrecking ball all year.
Sebastien Ogier-2008 Junior WRC champion (Red Bull) - 10th in WRC with what appears to be not big highlights so disagree
David Coulthard-Multiple F1 race winner (Red Bull) - More of just a getting a legend to run...So i guess it's fair
Andy Priaulx-2 time WTCC champion - Did pretty bad in DTM this year so disagree.
Mick Doohan-MotoGP legend, 5 championships MotoGP - Again getting just another legend driver to run.
Jamie Whincup-4 V8 Supercar championships - Agreed since he won V8 title
Michael Schumacher-7 time Formula 1 world champion, most succesful driver in history - But absolute crap in F1 thid year. Legend thing gets him in
Sebastien Vettel-3 time F1 champion, currently one of the worlds best - Agreed since you don't win the F1 championship three times in a row without being good

30th IROC
Ted Musgrave-1 Truck championship - Since he won the truck championship in 2005, He deserves to be in.
Mark Martin-Runner Up 5 times in Sprint Cup - 4th in the Nascar championship...was in the title fight..debatable but Mark gets in via legend in the series.
Sam Hornish, Jr.- 3 time IRL champion - 3rd in the championship that year, wasn't really in the title fight but won two races so again debatable.
Martin Truex Jr.- 2 times Busch Champion - Champion in the Busch series so he deserves to be in.
Scott Sharp-1996 IRL Champion - 5th in the championship with one win...Debatable but leaning towards disagreeing
Wayne Taylor/Max Angelelli-Nothing to note - Won the Rolex 24 and the Grand-am title so deserve to be in.
Steve Kinser-WoO Legend - Won the title in 2005 so deserves to be in
Ryan Newman-6th in Sprint Cup 3 times - Most likely got in based off this was the timeframe where he would win every other pole. But racing wise he was really meh...so disagree.
Max Papis-Former F1 driver, 5th in CART 1999 - Disagree since Papis didn't really do anything that year.
Matt Kenseth-2003 Sprint Cup champion - 7th on the year and only gets 1 win....Disagree.
Tony Stewart-3 time Sprint Cup champion - Agree since he won the cup title that year
Frank Kimmel-4 time ARCA Champion - Agree since this was era of KIMMELWINSLOL.

I struggle to understand why it was called the "International" Race of Champions-they were only champions in the US scratch

In any case, Thailand did incredibly and it was very great fun. A lot of people were here as well!
In fairness IROC was designed to put Nascar over the all the other US/world divisions as there schedule was all NASCAR tracks and half the field were nascar drivers.

But since i feel like comparing the two, let's look at whole the field look in their respective timeframes. (see above)

And wow...You argument does check out as despite what looked like a weak field this year in ROC (You can excuse Karthekeyan though ;P) 2006 iroc from a driver's in the field standpoint was not that good.
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Re: Red Bull Singha Race Of Champions 2012, Bangkok

Post by Milan655 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:28 pm

Chives2112 wrote:Didn't Mark Martin get into IROC because of his 4 ASA National Championships? He also won 5 IROC Championships. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Razz

I'm not great with US motorsport history, so I wasn't too sure of ASA's relevance. Was this one of the US's major seriess?
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Re: Red Bull Singha Race Of Champions 2012, Bangkok

Post by Cynon on Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:01 pm

Milan655 wrote:
Chives2112 wrote:Didn't Mark Martin get into IROC because of his 4 ASA National Championships? He also won 5 IROC Championships. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Razz

I'm not great with US motorsport history, so I wasn't too sure of ASA's relevance. Was this one of the US's major seriess?

Before the 2000s, people took ASA seriously.

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Re: Red Bull Singha Race Of Champions 2012, Bangkok

Post by Chives2112 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:02 pm

Milan655 wrote:
Chives2112 wrote:Didn't Mark Martin get into IROC because of his 4 ASA National Championships? He also won 5 IROC Championships. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Razz

I'm not great with US motorsport history, so I wasn't too sure of ASA's relevance. Was this one of the US's major seriess?
It was something similar to ARCA, but it ran on more short tracks in the Midwest United States. The National Tour that Martin was involved when went defunct in 2004. I wouldn't consider it a major series, but more of a stepping-stone to get into NASCAR. (Dick Trickle, Rusty Wallace, and Johnny Benson are just a few that made their way to NASCAR through the ASA) Hope that clears things up.
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Re: Red Bull Singha Race Of Champions 2012, Bangkok

Post by PYLrulz on Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:51 am

Alta wrote:
Milan655 wrote:
PYLrulz wrote:
Cynon wrote:There's not too many champions here. Even IROC did better than this. No

This. Who was in charge of trying to wrangle together drivers for this event?!? They did a horrid job!

I agree with the fact it is a weak field, but you can't blame the organisers really. Due to the way contracts are formed, in some cases drivers are disallowed to drive outside of their contracted championships, and in the case where a driver is in a factory team is not allowed to drive a car other than the one which they are set to drive in whatever they are contracted to; this is the case with Ferrari, and was the case while Coulthard was at Mclaren (he could only drive Mercedes by contract.) But to be honest, there are still some good drivers and they are much better than what was seen in IROC really, if you compare:

2012 RoC
Tom Kristensen-1 ALMS, 8 Le Mans 24 Hours, 6 12 Hours of Sebring, - Kristensen belongs. Had great runs in big endurance races and finished 2nd FIA Endurance
Jorge Lorenzo-2 Moto GP championships (Red Bull) - He deserves to be in. This year's MotoGP champion
Benito Guerra-2012 Production WRC Champion - Miss two races and still won...hmmm...He was pretty crappy in WRC so not sure if agree.
Ryan Hunter-Reay-2012 Indy Car champion - Hunter-Reay deserves in off the surprising championship
Romain Grosjean-3 F1 podiums, 2011 GP2 champion - Highly disagree with this one. Grosjean was a wrecking ball all year.
Sebastien Ogier-2008 Junior WRC champion (Red Bull) - 10th in WRC with what appears to be not big highlights so disagree
David Coulthard-Multiple F1 race winner (Red Bull) - More of just a getting a legend to run...So i guess it's fair
Andy Priaulx-2 time WTCC champion - Did pretty bad in DTM this year so disagree.
Mick Doohan-MotoGP legend, 5 championships MotoGP - Again getting just another legend driver to run.
Jamie Whincup-4 V8 Supercar championships - Agreed since he won V8 title
Michael Schumacher-7 time Formula 1 world champion, most succesful driver in history - But absolute crap in F1 thid year. Legend thing gets him in
Sebastien Vettel-3 time F1 champion, currently one of the worlds best - Agreed since you don't win the F1 championship three times in a row without being good

30th IROC
Ted Musgrave-1 Truck championship - Since he won the truck championship in 2005, He deserves to be in.
Mark Martin-Runner Up 5 times in Sprint Cup - 4th in the Nascar championship...was in the title fight..debatable but Mark gets in via legend in the series.
Sam Hornish, Jr.- 3 time IRL champion - 3rd in the championship that year, wasn't really in the title fight but won two races so again debatable.
Martin Truex Jr.- 2 times Busch Champion - Champion in the Busch series so he deserves to be in.
Scott Sharp-1996 IRL Champion - 5th in the championship with one win...Debatable but leaning towards disagreeing
Wayne Taylor/Max Angelelli-Nothing to note - Won the Rolex 24 and the Grand-am title so deserve to be in.
Steve Kinser-WoO Legend - Won the title in 2005 so deserves to be in
Ryan Newman-6th in Sprint Cup 3 times - Most likely got in based off this was the timeframe where he would win every other pole. But racing wise he was really meh...so disagree.
Max Papis-Former F1 driver, 5th in CART 1999 - Disagree since Papis didn't really do anything that year.
Matt Kenseth-2003 Sprint Cup champion - 7th on the year and only gets 1 win....Disagree.
Tony Stewart-3 time Sprint Cup champion - Agree since he won the cup title that year
Frank Kimmel-4 time ARCA Champion - Agree since this was era of KIMMELWINSLOL.

I struggle to understand why it was called the "International" Race of Champions-they were only champions in the US scratch

In any case, Thailand did incredibly and it was very great fun. A lot of people were here as well!
In fairness IROC was designed to put Nascar over the all the other US/world divisions as there schedule was all NASCAR tracks and half the field were nascar drivers.

But since i feel like comparing the two, let's look at whole the field look in their respective timeframes. (see above)

And wow...You argument does check out as despite what looked like a weak field this year in ROC (You can excuse Karthekeyan though ;P) 2006 iroc from a driver's in the field standpoint was not that good.

IROC started as something true to it's name, but it eventually turned into NASCAR lite. That was the reason it died (not the identical car deal like many revisionists to NASCAR history like you to think).
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Re: Red Bull Singha Race Of Champions 2012, Bangkok

Post by Milan655 on Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:44 am

In any case, I will be back there last night. It was brilliant yesterday, even the intervention shows; David Coulthard went round in an RB7, the sound was a amazing, Terry Grant was also there doing donuts and the unsuccessful Asian drivers went drifting Very Happy
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Post by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) on Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:46 pm

So yeah RMRN GRJN won.

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Re: Red Bull Singha Race Of Champions 2012, Bangkok

Post by flyingturns89 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:16 am

Milan655 wrote:
30th IROC
Ted Musgrave-Defending Truck Series Champion at that time.
Mark Martin-Defending IROC Champion at that time.
Sam Hornish, Jr.- 3 time IRL champion
Martin Truex Jr.-Defending Busch Series Champion at that time.
Scott Sharp-1996 IRL Champion
Wayne Taylor/Max Angelelli-Defending Rolex 24 Winners and Defending DP Champions at that time.
Steve Kinser-WoO Legend
Ryan Newman-6th in Sprint Cup 3 times
Max Papis-Former F1 driver, 5th in CART 1999
Matt Kenseth-2003 Sprint Cup champion and 2004 IROC Champion
Tony Stewart-Defending Cup Series Champion at that time.
Frank Kimmel-Defending ARCA Champion at that time.

Fixed.
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Re: Red Bull Singha Race Of Champions 2012, Bangkok

Post by Milan655 on Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:10 pm

flyingturns89 wrote:
Milan655 wrote:
30th IROC
Ted Musgrave-Defending Truck Series Champion at that time.
Mark Martin-Defending IROC Champion at that time.
Sam Hornish, Jr.- 3 time IRL champion
Martin Truex Jr.-Defending Busch Series Champion at that time.
Scott Sharp-1996 IRL Champion
Wayne Taylor/Max Angelelli-Defending Rolex 24 Winners and Defending DP Champions at that time.
Steve Kinser-WoO Legend
Ryan Newman-6th in Sprint Cup 3 times
Max Papis-Former F1 driver, 5th in CART 1999
Matt Kenseth-2003 Sprint Cup champion and 2004 IROC Champion
Tony Stewart-Defending Cup Series Champion at that time.
Frank Kimmel-Defending ARCA Champion at that time.

Fixed.

The point I was making was that they were not international champions Neutral

Great drive by Tin and Nahvude, Tin definitely should have been in the quarters and would have been not for the 5 sec penalty. Great to see that Thailand has this much support for motorsport, a great total of more than 10,000 turned up for this Smile
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