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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by Lucstar88 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:10 pm

Well... Brad got lucky..
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Post by f1fan12 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:11 pm

Cell Phone in the race car warrents a penalty! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Post by conrail1990 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:13 pm

f1fan12 wrote:Cell Phone in the race car warrents a penalty! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Maybe not $25,000 but it made sense to me.
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Post by RyanB06 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:15 pm

f1fan12 wrote:Cell Phone in the race car warrents a penalty! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

That's just plain dumb, considering Brad had the cell in the car at Daytona and NASCAR didn't do anything about it.

And yes, Gordon should've been parked. Oh well...25 points isn't a small penalty, so at least it's better than nothing.
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Post by Milan655 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:22 pm

Good. Concentrate, don't twatter while you're bored. What an imbecile...
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Post by Alta on Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:25 pm

Milan655 wrote:Good. Concentrate, don't twatter while you're bored. What an imbecile...
Wahhhh. Don't find a new way for fan interaction

What's even more bullshit then Gordon getting of scot-free is Keselowski getting the same penalty for being on his phone as someone who was involved in a impromptu gang fight
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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by Mother of Invention on Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:36 pm

NASCAR driver with a phone in his car is kinda setting a bad example, so I think a fine is in order, maybe 10,000 would have worked better, but I am not gonna disagree with a fine.
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Post by PackerMan71 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:38 pm

Nice consistency, NASCAR. Rolling Eyes
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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by Electric Wolf on Mon Nov 12, 2012 6:44 pm

PackerMan71 wrote:Nice consistency, NASCAR. Rolling Eyes

This. And we all thought I Brad was getting a penalty for swearing in the media, but no. A freaking cell phone? At least the car wasn't moving while he was using it. If you're on it while you're not moving, I don't see a real problem with it.
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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by navycook75 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:01 pm

I think Brad's phone fine was just because of his actions in the media center and not the phone itself.

also, if they gave Brad a Points penalty, a shitstorm would ensue.
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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by crl on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:27 pm

Milan655 wrote:Good. Concentrate, don't twatter while you're bored. What an imbecile...

I don't think a guy who's on the verge of winning stock car racing's biggest prize needs to be told to concentrate, nor is he an "imbecile". And "twatter"? C'mon.


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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by Mother of Invention on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:29 pm

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Post by JMac525 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:34 pm

navycook75 wrote:I think Brad's phone fine was just because of his actions in the media center and not the phone itself.

also, if they gave Brad a Points penalty, a shitstorm would ensue.

I agree with this statement.
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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by Chives2112 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:35 pm

Do you think NASCAR gave Brad a warning about the cell phone after the Daytona 500, and that's why they're now penalizing him?
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Post by crl on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:47 pm

Brad Tweeted during the rain delay at Richmond in September; heard nothing about any punishment.

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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by PYLrulz on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:48 pm

Chives2112 wrote:Do you think NASCAR gave Brad a warning about the cell phone after the Daytona 500, and that's why they're now penalizing him?

I was going to say the same thing. I'm guessing he got a warning for it. That's the only explanation to why he got busted for that
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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by conrail1990 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:49 pm

Chives2112 wrote:Do you think NASCAR gave Brad a warning about the cell phone after the Daytona 500, and that's why they're now penalizing him?
I have a feeling Brad wasnt penalized because was caught tweeting outside his car. Rather than inside the car during a red flag
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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by PKligBKFan on Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:53 pm

conrail1990 wrote:
Chives2112 wrote:Do you think NASCAR gave Brad a warning about the cell phone after the Daytona 500, and that's why they're now penalizing him?
I have a feeling Brad wasnt penalized because was caught tweeting outside his car. Rather than inside the car during a red flag

Not true. He took a picture in the car & tweeted it. Where was Carl Edwards' fine when he took a damn video in the car while testing?
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Post by TheRealNathNath on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:22 pm

this isn't the first time Clint has wrecked Gordon this year. But, Gordon is better than this. There's a time and place to get payback. And, if you're going to wreck someone, male it less obvious than a Kyle or Carl incident.

BK shouldnt get a penalty.
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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by pennst24 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:27 pm

Brad Keselowski wasn't fined for using the cell phone in the car, he was fined for his comments in the media center and NASCAR needed to cover it with a 'rule' they had made up on the spot about cell phones.

It is possible for a cell phone to activate a traction control device, but Paul Wolfe and BK aren't cheaters. NASCAR wanted to fine him for the media center outburst, not the phone.
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Post by day500champ1 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:30 pm

pennst24 wrote:Brad Keselowski wasn't fined for using the cell phone in the car, he was fined for his comments in the media center and NASCAR needed to cover it with a 'rule' they had made up on the spot about cell phones.

It is possible for a cell phone to activate a traction control device, but Paul Wolfe and BK aren't cheaters. NASCAR wanted to fine him for the media center outburst, not the phone.

This was my immediate reaction too Eichholtz. They needed a reason to fine him for the media center comments and they came up with this.
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Post by PKligBKFan on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:31 pm

hndrkguava24 wrote:this isn't the first time Clint has wrecked Gordon this year. But, Gordon is better than this. There's a time and place to get payback. And, if you're going to wreck someone, male it less obvious than a Kyle or Carl incident.

BK shouldnt get a penalty.

Didn't see Clint wreck Gordon. Saw him drift up the track and then I saw Gordon retaliate and try to wreck Bowyer and fail and then try again.
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Post by Alta on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:40 pm

pennst24 wrote:Brad Keselowski wasn't fined for using the cell phone in the car, he was fined for his comments in the media center and NASCAR needed to cover it with a 'rule' they had made up on the spot about cell phones.

It is possible for a cell phone to activate a traction control device, but Paul Wolfe and BK aren't cheaters. NASCAR wanted to fine him for the media center outburst, not the phone.
The more i think about this. The more true it becomes.
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Post by Sparkz47 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:42 pm

Please don't try to rationalize NASCAR's decisions, guys, it'll just drop your IQ and make your head hurt.
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Post by f1fan12 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:17 pm

day500champ1 wrote:
pennst24 wrote:Brad Keselowski wasn't fined for using the cell phone in the car, he was fined for his comments in the media center and NASCAR needed to cover it with a 'rule' they had made up on the spot about cell phones.

It is possible for a cell phone to activate a traction control device, but Paul Wolfe and BK aren't cheaters. NASCAR wanted to fine him for the media center outburst, not the phone.

This was my immediate reaction too Eichholtz. They needed a reason to fine him for the media center comments and they came up with this.

What about Section 12-1 of the NASCAR Rulebook, "Actions detremental to Stock Car Racing." It seems like NASCAR throws every penalty in there.
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Post by Cardinals5 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:35 pm

I don't even...just...damn it.

I hope Brad's next interview is laced with 1984 references or something.
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Post by RealRacer4 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:44 pm

I'm surprised Jeff Gordon didn't get suspended, but we're talking about NASCAR. I just hope Jeff and Clint will stay away from each other and not run into any problems like last Sunday. As for Brad's fine, I think it's dumb, whether it was for the cell phone or the rant in the media center. At this point, it is what it is. It's time to move on to the season finale.


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Post by FlashRod4 on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:10 pm

NASCAR, Where Bias penalties and fines based on driver and team rep happens.
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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by crl on Mon Nov 12, 2012 10:23 pm

Cardinals5 wrote:I don't even...just...damn it.

I hope Brad's next interview is laced with 1984 references or something.

Maybe he'll show this:

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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by ParaLanche on Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:22 pm

Flash, your sig is huge.
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Post by Alta on Mon Nov 12, 2012 11:57 pm

RealRacer4 wrote:I'm surprised Jeff Gordon didn't get suspended, but we're talking about NASCAR. I just Jeff and Clint will stay away from each other and not run into any problems like last Sunday. As for Brad's fine, I think it's dumb, whether it was for the cell phone or the rant in the media center. At this point, it is what it is. It's time to move on to the season finale.
They didn't do anything to Bowyer, A payback at Homestead is very much possible...Unless Bowyer wants to go for the bigger man role and just beat him on the track.
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Post by Mystrsyko on Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:16 am

It's pretty clear what Nascar showed up to the meeting that decided these penalties. Leaving Jeff out there at Homestead opens up the door to more shenanigans, and could potentially interfere with the championship battle. This would make a great show.

Parking Gordon for the race would put any conflict to rest for the next several months until the media digs it up again in February. This would make Nascar look more interested in the safety of their drivers and fans, and the integrity of the championship battle taking place. This would earn Nascar some major respect.

Sadly, they have not gone that route
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Post by TheRealNathNath on Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:31 am

PKligBKFan wrote:
hndrkguava24 wrote:this isn't the first time Clint has wrecked Gordon this year. But, Gordon is better than this. There's a time and place to get payback. And, if you're going to wreck someone, male it less obvious than a Kyle or Carl incident.

BK shouldnt get a penalty.

Didn't see Clint wreck Gordon. Saw him drift up the track and then I saw Gordon retaliate and try to wreck Bowyer and fail and then try again.


Martinsville. Again, I'm a JG fan, so... But this shouldn't have happened. They should've have called the caution earlier. NASCAR not throwing a caution there (for once) was just as, or more dangerous than Jeff trying to retaliate.
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Post by BWard on Tue Nov 13, 2012 2:32 am

Lucky Keselowski, at least he didn't get a point penalty.
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Post by PKligBKFan on Tue Nov 13, 2012 8:01 am

hndrkguava24 wrote:
PKligBKFan wrote:
hndrkguava24 wrote:this isn't the first time Clint has wrecked Gordon this year. But, Gordon is better than this. There's a time and place to get payback. And, if you're going to wreck someone, male it less obvious than a Kyle or Carl incident.

BK shouldnt get a penalty.

Didn't see Clint wreck Gordon. Saw him drift up the track and then I saw Gordon retaliate and try to wreck Bowyer and fail and then try again.


Martinsville. Again, I'm a JG fan, so... But this shouldn't have happened. They should've have called the caution earlier. NASCAR not throwing a caution there (for once) was just as, or more dangerous than Jeff trying to retaliate.

I was talking about Sunday, not Martinsville. Gordon's retaliation was completely BS and dangerous.
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Post by Milan655 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 11:53 am

Alta wrote:Wahhhh. Don't find a new way for fan interaction

crl wrote:I don't think a guy who's on the verge of winning stock car racing's biggest prize needs to be told to concentrate, nor is he an "imbecile". And "twatter"? C'mon.

He's pretty imbecilic to get a $25,000 fine. I think it's stupid to bring a phone to the car. Tweet outside the car, but keeping the phone in the car...? I would call it "unprofessional". Brad's a good driver, good personality, but a phone in the cockpit shows a lack of interest almost...
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Post by Ben Atkins on Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:33 pm

Milan655 wrote:
Alta wrote:Wahhhh. Don't find a new way for fan interaction

crl wrote:I don't think a guy who's on the verge of winning stock car racing's biggest prize needs to be told to concentrate, nor is he an "imbecile". And "twatter"? C'mon.

He's pretty imbecilic to get a $25,000 fine. I think it's stupid to bring a phone to the car. Tweet outside the car, but keeping the phone in the car...? I would call it "unprofessional". Brad's a good driver, good personality, but a phone in the cockpit shows a lack of interest almost...

You're right. He's going to get his phone out while racing at Daytona in the middle of the pack and cause a crash while tweeting. Razz I joke, but I do see your point. I honestly think he only has it for red flag incidents, just like this weekend.

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Post by Milan655 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:47 pm

Ben Atkins wrote:
Milan655 wrote:
Alta wrote:Wahhhh. Don't find a new way for fan interaction

crl wrote:I don't think a guy who's on the verge of winning stock car racing's biggest prize needs to be told to concentrate, nor is he an "imbecile". And "twatter"? C'mon.

He's pretty imbecilic to get a $25,000 fine. I think it's stupid to bring a phone to the car. Tweet outside the car, but keeping the phone in the car...? I would call it "unprofessional". Brad's a good driver, good personality, but a phone in the cockpit shows a lack of interest almost...

You're right. He's going to get his phone out while racing at Daytona in the middle of the pack and cause a crash while tweeting. Razz I joke, but I do see your point. I honestly think he only has it for red flag incidents, just like this weekend.

Yes, that's what I meant. Or at least I hope he wouldn't get a phone out during driving... Razz
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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by Lucstar88 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:16 pm

hndrkguava24 wrote:
PKligBKFan wrote:
hndrkguava24 wrote:this isn't the first time Clint has wrecked Gordon this year. But, Gordon is better than this. There's a time and place to get payback. And, if you're going to wreck someone, male it less obvious than a Kyle or Carl incident.

BK shouldnt get a penalty.

Didn't see Clint wreck Gordon. Saw him drift up the track and then I saw Gordon retaliate and try to wreck Bowyer and fail and then try again.


Martinsville. Again, I'm a JG fan, so... But this shouldn't have happened. They should've have called the caution earlier. NASCAR not throwing a caution there (for once) was just as, or more dangerous than Jeff trying to retaliate.

imo that martinsville wreck was an accident.. guys on old tires and guys on new ones created a mess & Newman decided to ram the 15.... which created that whole mess
Maybe wrong but it looked like it imo
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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) on Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:49 pm

Brad has his phone in his car so when he gets in an accident he can ring his mum straight away, he's done that since Califnornia in 2008 after his massive wreck, and he couldn't get a hold of his mum for quite a long time after the wreck.
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Post by BWard on Tue Nov 13, 2012 3:57 pm

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Brad has his phone in his car so when he gets in an accident he can ring his mum straight away, he's done that since Califnornia in 2008 after his massive wreck, and he couldn't get a hold of his mum for quite a long time after the wreck.

I don't exactly know why he would do that though, keeping his phone in his race car pretty much all the time.
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Post by PKligBKFan on Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:28 pm

BWardboy88 wrote:
Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Brad has his phone in his car so when he gets in an accident he can ring his mum straight away, he's done that since Califnornia in 2008 after his massive wreck, and he couldn't get a hold of his mum for quite a long time after the wreck.

I don't exactly know why he would do that though, keeping his phone in his race car pretty much all the time.

The answer is right there... It's if he gets in a really bad wreck, such as his Road Atlanta testing crash last year where he had to be transported to hospital so he can contact family.
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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by BWard on Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:33 pm

PKligBKFan wrote:
BWardboy88 wrote:
Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Brad has his phone in his car so when he gets in an accident he can ring his mum straight away, he's done that since Califnornia in 2008 after his massive wreck, and he couldn't get a hold of his mum for quite a long time after the wreck.

I don't exactly know why he would do that though, keeping his phone in his race car pretty much all the time.

The answer is right there... It's if he gets in a really bad wreck, such as his Road Atlanta testing crash last year where he had to be transported to hospital so he can contact family.

I know but just imagine if he ever left his phone in his race car after a race, someone would probably steal it or people would hear that he left it in and make him feel very embarrassed.
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Post by PKligBKFan on Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:38 pm

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Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Brad has his phone in his car so when he gets in an accident he can ring his mum straight away, he's done that since Califnornia in 2008 after his massive wreck, and he couldn't get a hold of his mum for quite a long time after the wreck.

I don't exactly know why he would do that though, keeping his phone in his race car pretty much all the time.

The answer is right there... It's if he gets in a really bad wreck, such as his Road Atlanta testing crash last year where he had to be transported to hospital so he can contact family.

I know but just imagine if he ever left his phone in his race car after a race, someone would probably steal it or people would hear that he left it in and make him feel very embarrassed.

Can't see somebody on his team stealing the phone.
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Post by Milan655 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:40 pm

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Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Brad has his phone in his car so when he gets in an accident he can ring his mum straight away, he's done that since Califnornia in 2008 after his massive wreck, and he couldn't get a hold of his mum for quite a long time after the wreck.

I don't exactly know why he would do that though, keeping his phone in his race car pretty much all the time.

The answer is right there... It's if he gets in a really bad wreck, such as his Road Atlanta testing crash last year where he had to be transported to hospital so he can contact family.

But why must he have his phone in the car with him? A team member cannot hand the phone for him later?
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Post by PKligBKFan on Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:43 pm

Milan655 wrote:
PKligBKFan wrote:
BWardboy88 wrote:
Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Brad has his phone in his car so when he gets in an accident he can ring his mum straight away, he's done that since Califnornia in 2008 after his massive wreck, and he couldn't get a hold of his mum for quite a long time after the wreck.

I don't exactly know why he would do that though, keeping his phone in his race car pretty much all the time.

The answer is right there... It's if he gets in a really bad wreck, such as his Road Atlanta testing crash last year where he had to be transported to hospital so he can contact family.

But why must he have his phone in the car with him? A team member cannot hand the phone for him later?

What's the big deal? It isn't like he is using it during the race.
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Post by Milan655 on Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:44 pm

PKligBKFan wrote:
Milan655 wrote:
PKligBKFan wrote:
BWardboy88 wrote:
Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Brad has his phone in his car so when he gets in an accident he can ring his mum straight away, he's done that since Califnornia in 2008 after his massive wreck, and he couldn't get a hold of his mum for quite a long time after the wreck.

I don't exactly know why he would do that though, keeping his phone in his race car pretty much all the time.

The answer is right there... It's if he gets in a really bad wreck, such as his Road Atlanta testing crash last year where he had to be transported to hospital so he can contact family.

But why must he have his phone in the car with him? A team member cannot hand the phone for him later?

What's the big deal? It isn't like he is using it during the race.

If it awards a fine, then I wouldn't understand his reasoning
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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by PKligBKFan on Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:48 pm

Milan655 wrote:
PKligBKFan wrote:
Milan655 wrote:
PKligBKFan wrote:
BWardboy88 wrote:
Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Brad has his phone in his car so when he gets in an accident he can ring his mum straight away, he's done that since Califnornia in 2008 after his massive wreck, and he couldn't get a hold of his mum for quite a long time after the wreck.

I don't exactly know why he would do that though, keeping his phone in his race car pretty much all the time.

The answer is right there... It's if he gets in a really bad wreck, such as his Road Atlanta testing crash last year where he had to be transported to hospital so he can contact family.

But why must he have his phone in the car with him? A team member cannot hand the phone for him later?

What's the big deal? It isn't like he is using it during the race.

If it awards a fine, then I wouldn't understand his reasoning

It didn't at Daytona nor did it at Richmond so why would it now? He obviously wasn't warned about it either because if he was, he wouldn't use it.
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Re: Phoenix Penalties

Post by Alta on Tue Nov 13, 2012 7:42 pm

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Brad has his phone in his car so when he gets in an accident he can ring his mum straight away, he's done that since Califnornia in 2008 after his massive wreck, and he couldn't get a hold of his mum for quite a long time after the wreck.
You know realize Brad is a perfect child. Razz
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