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Post by AntmanB Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:33 pm

Penalized 25 Driver and Owner Points
Crew Chief Car Chief and Crew Member Suspended 6 Races for infraction during Michigan Saturday Practice. I Dont know what the infraction was.
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Post by conrail1990 Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:04 pm

Irregularities with the frame rails
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Post by Vincent Giacalone Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:28 pm

So the 18 gets off with just a probation for something that happened in practice, but the 27 gets 6 points off?
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Post by PKligBKFan Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:00 pm

Nascarboy426 wrote:So the 18 gets off with just a probation for something that happened in practice, but the 27 gets 6 points off?

25 points actually.
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Post by Vincent Giacalone Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:34 pm

PKligBKFan wrote:
Nascarboy426 wrote:So the 18 gets off with just a probation for something that happened in practice, but the 27 gets 6 points off?

25 points actually.

Mother of the racing gods, that's a heck of a lot...
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Post by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:01 pm

Owner or driver points?
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Post by Vincent Giacalone Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:03 pm

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Owner or driver points?

Both, according to the article.
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Post by Cardinals5 Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:12 pm

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Owner or driver points?

Yes
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Post by RocketKnight Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:41 pm

that's too many points of a penalty.

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Post by flyingturns89 Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:15 pm

PKligBKFan wrote:
Nascarboy426 wrote:So the 18 gets off with just a probation for something that happened in practice, but the 27 gets 6 points off?

25 points actually.

The penalty is apparently for, from what I can understand, making illegal changes to the car after the car had gone through and passed inspection, and that's why the penalties are so severe.
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Post by Vincent Giacalone Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:56 pm

flyingturns89 wrote:
The penalty is apparently for, from what I can understand, making illegal changes to the car after the car had gone through and passed inspection, and that's why the penalties are so severe.

The fuuuuuuuuu-??? By that logic anyone who's ever failed a post-race inspection ever should have that much of a penalty. And even this year they haven't.

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Post by PackerMan71 Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:59 pm

Don't forget, this is NASCAR we're talking about. Most of the things they do don't make any sense whatsoever.
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Post by bartman97 Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:34 am

NASCAR, putting owner points as a punishment as always, why?????
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Post by RyanB06 Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:13 am

bartman97 wrote:NASCAR, putting owner points as a punishment as always, why?????

Because the drivers that are locked into each race are determined by owner's points.
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Post by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:32 am

RyanB06 wrote:
bartman97 wrote:NASCAR, putting owner points as a punishment as always, why?????

Because the drivers that are locked into each race are determined by owner's points.
^This. Though this year it's kind of pointless since there's nearly a 2-race gap between 35th and 36th.
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Post by flyingturns89 Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:06 pm

Nascarboy426 wrote:
flyingturns89 wrote:
The penalty is apparently for, from what I can understand, making illegal changes to the car after the car had gone through and passed inspection, and that's why the penalties are so severe.

The fuuuuuuuuu-??? By that logic anyone who's ever failed a post-race inspection ever should have that much of a penalty. And even this year they haven't.


They penalized it because it passed every other inspection, and then failed post race inspection to the point of needing a 25 point penalty. In this case, everything passed in pre race inspection, but in post race inspection, the frame rails did not. Menard did not have as serious wreck in the Cup race, and he didn't have any serious mechanical problems during the race, so NASCAR take that out of the possible reasons, so they sent it to the R&D center, where they found that the car had been in violation of rule 12-4K, which is the following:

Race equipment that has been previously certified or previously approved by NASCAR for use in an event, pursuant to sub-section 8-12, has been altered, modified, repaired or changed in any manner.

Therefore a large penalty was handed out to the team.
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