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The Empire penalized by NASCAR

Post by AntmanB on Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:33 pm

Penalized 25 Driver and Owner Points
Crew Chief Car Chief and Crew Member Suspended 6 Races for infraction during Michigan Saturday Practice. I Dont know what the infraction was.
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Re: The Empire penalized by NASCAR

Post by conrail1990 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:04 pm

Irregularities with the frame rails
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Re: The Empire penalized by NASCAR

Post by Vincent Giacalone on Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:28 pm

So the 18 gets off with just a probation for something that happened in practice, but the 27 gets 6 points off?
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Re: The Empire penalized by NASCAR

Post by PKligBKFan on Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:00 pm

Nascarboy426 wrote:So the 18 gets off with just a probation for something that happened in practice, but the 27 gets 6 points off?

25 points actually.
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Re: The Empire penalized by NASCAR

Post by Vincent Giacalone on Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:34 pm

PKligBKFan wrote:
Nascarboy426 wrote:So the 18 gets off with just a probation for something that happened in practice, but the 27 gets 6 points off?

25 points actually.

Mother of the racing gods, that's a heck of a lot...
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Re: The Empire penalized by NASCAR

Post by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) on Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:01 pm

Owner or driver points?
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Re: The Empire penalized by NASCAR

Post by Vincent Giacalone on Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:03 pm

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Owner or driver points?

Both, according to the article.
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Re: The Empire penalized by NASCAR

Post by Cardinals5 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:12 pm

Spannerhead29 (Nelson) wrote:Owner or driver points?

Yes
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Re: The Empire penalized by NASCAR

Post by BlueThunderfan on Wed Aug 22, 2012 8:41 pm

that's too many points of a penalty.

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Re: The Empire penalized by NASCAR

Post by flyingturns89 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:15 pm

PKligBKFan wrote:
Nascarboy426 wrote:So the 18 gets off with just a probation for something that happened in practice, but the 27 gets 6 points off?

25 points actually.

The penalty is apparently for, from what I can understand, making illegal changes to the car after the car had gone through and passed inspection, and that's why the penalties are so severe.
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Re: The Empire penalized by NASCAR

Post by Vincent Giacalone on Wed Aug 22, 2012 10:56 pm

flyingturns89 wrote:
The penalty is apparently for, from what I can understand, making illegal changes to the car after the car had gone through and passed inspection, and that's why the penalties are so severe.

The fuuuuuuuuu-??? By that logic anyone who's ever failed a post-race inspection ever should have that much of a penalty. And even this year they haven't.

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Re: The Empire penalized by NASCAR

Post by PackerMan71 on Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:59 pm

Don't forget, this is NASCAR we're talking about. Most of the things they do don't make any sense whatsoever.
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Re: The Empire penalized by NASCAR

Post by bartman97 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:34 am

NASCAR, putting owner points as a punishment as always, why?????
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Re: The Empire penalized by NASCAR

Post by RyanB06 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:13 am

bartman97 wrote:NASCAR, putting owner points as a punishment as always, why?????

Because the drivers that are locked into each race are determined by owner's points.
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Re: The Empire penalized by NASCAR

Post by Spannerhead29 (Nelson) on Thu Aug 23, 2012 7:32 am

RyanB06 wrote:
bartman97 wrote:NASCAR, putting owner points as a punishment as always, why?????

Because the drivers that are locked into each race are determined by owner's points.
^This. Though this year it's kind of pointless since there's nearly a 2-race gap between 35th and 36th.
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Re: The Empire penalized by NASCAR

Post by flyingturns89 on Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:06 pm

Nascarboy426 wrote:
flyingturns89 wrote:
The penalty is apparently for, from what I can understand, making illegal changes to the car after the car had gone through and passed inspection, and that's why the penalties are so severe.

The fuuuuuuuuu-??? By that logic anyone who's ever failed a post-race inspection ever should have that much of a penalty. And even this year they haven't.


They penalized it because it passed every other inspection, and then failed post race inspection to the point of needing a 25 point penalty. In this case, everything passed in pre race inspection, but in post race inspection, the frame rails did not. Menard did not have as serious wreck in the Cup race, and he didn't have any serious mechanical problems during the race, so NASCAR take that out of the possible reasons, so they sent it to the R&D center, where they found that the car had been in violation of rule 12-4K, which is the following:

Race equipment that has been previously certified or previously approved by NASCAR for use in an event, pursuant to sub-section 8-12, has been altered, modified, repaired or changed in any manner.

Therefore a large penalty was handed out to the team.
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