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Re: 2012 Budweiser Shootout
Doesn't help when Logano was being a moving chicane.Mother of Invention wrote:Ambrose you idiot!
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Re: 2012 Budweiser Shootout
Didn't save it that time, Kyle.
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Re: 2012 Budweiser Shootout
Wow. That was bad. It has to hurt for James Finch. Small team and you total two cars in a day.
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Now there's something you don't see everyday. Anyway, we're down to about 9 cars now.
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I didn't know ARCA had a shootout race.
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Alta wrote:Doesn't help when Logano was being a moving chicane.Mother of Invention wrote:Ambrose you idiot!
same thing with Menard then?
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Re: 2012 Budweiser Shootout
Holy crap. Busch got it over Stewart.
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first and likely only time I'll enjoy a KyBu victory lol.
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This Daytona 500 race, is going to be insane. My body is literally shaking.
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RealRacer4 wrote:This Daytona 500 race, is going to be insane. My body is literally shaking.
Same here man. This was merely a sample of what's to come. My body is ready for the Daytona 500.
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Re: 2012 Budweiser Shootout
Damn...what a finish! Kyle Busch wins the Bud Shootout on a last turn pass on Tony Stewart! I'm just glad it's not the 500 yet.
Results
1 - 18 Kyle Busch
2 - 14 Tony Stewart
3 - 9 Marcos Ambrose
4 - 2 Brad Keselowski
5 - 11 Denny Hamlin
6 - 16 Greg Biffle
7 - 39 Ryan Newman
8 - 15 Clint Bowyer
9 - 99 Carl Edwards
10 - 42 Juan Pablo Montoya
11 - 31 Jeff Burton
12 - 22 AJ Allmendinger -2
13 - 5 Kasey Kahne -3
14 - 48 Jimmie Johnson OUT
15 - 24 Jeff Gordon OUT
16 - 1 Jamie McMurray OUT
17 - 51 Kurt Busch OUT
18 - 20 Joey Logano OUT
19 - 56 Martin Truex Jr. OUT
20 - 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. OUT
21 - 17 Matt Kenseth OUT
22 - 29 Kevin Harvick OUT
23 - 27 Paul Menard OUT
24 - 34 David Ragan OUT
25 - 55 Michael Waltrip OUT
Results
1 - 18 Kyle Busch
2 - 14 Tony Stewart
3 - 9 Marcos Ambrose
4 - 2 Brad Keselowski
5 - 11 Denny Hamlin
6 - 16 Greg Biffle
7 - 39 Ryan Newman
8 - 15 Clint Bowyer
9 - 99 Carl Edwards
10 - 42 Juan Pablo Montoya
11 - 31 Jeff Burton
12 - 22 AJ Allmendinger -2
13 - 5 Kasey Kahne -3
14 - 48 Jimmie Johnson OUT
15 - 24 Jeff Gordon OUT
16 - 1 Jamie McMurray OUT
17 - 51 Kurt Busch OUT
18 - 20 Joey Logano OUT
19 - 56 Martin Truex Jr. OUT
20 - 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. OUT
21 - 17 Matt Kenseth OUT
22 - 29 Kevin Harvick OUT
23 - 27 Paul Menard OUT
24 - 34 David Ragan OUT
25 - 55 Michael Waltrip OUT
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Re: 2012 Budweiser Shootout
I HOPE KYLE CHOKES ON THOSE M&M'S!
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Kyle Busch winning?
Don't care.
Don't care.
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Re: 2012 Budweiser Shootout
Where was he all night other then wrecked? :/Mother of Invention wrote:Alta wrote:Doesn't help when Logano was being a moving chicane.Mother of Invention wrote:Ambrose you idiot!
same thing with Menard then?
Crazy as hell race overall. Would've prefered to see Ambrose score the upset...But Kyle drove a helluva race instead of having the better car for once.
We're probably gonna challenge the number of cautions as last year in the 500, That race looked like what the ARCA race should've looked like.
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I hate to admit this, but holy hell. Kyle ran one hell of a race. Also, seen a ton of people criticising the pack racing and accidents it had. If people think about it, with exception of the last wreck, most all those wrecks happened because people decided to tandem in the pack.
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PKligBKFan wrote:I hate to admit this, but holy hell. Kyle ran one hell of a race. Also, seen a ton of people criticising the pack racing and accidents it had. If people think about it, with exception of the last wreck, most all those wrecks happened because people decided to tandem in the pack.
It was more like people kept pushing cars on the wrong side. Every wreck that happened (including practice) was because someone pushed on the left side of the car and with the cars already skewed in a certain direction, it just helps the car go around.
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Usually I wouldn't care about Kyle winning but after something like that I had to give props to him tonight.
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NASCAR's really pushing their luck. They claim to be the best in the world, lol they suck. I guess Brian France wants to wreck cars to satisfy the Dale Jr. hicks, but I don't want to hear the bitching when a driver leaves in a casket.
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pennst24 wrote:NASCAR's really pushing their luck. They claim to be the best in the world, lol they suck. I guess Brian France wants to wreck cars to satisfy the Dale Jr. hicks, but I don't want to hear the bitching when a driver leaves in a casket.
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Every time we had a wreck it was cause somebody was pushing in the turns. Now I know why ARCA banned that.
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As much as I preferred Tandems, I highly doubt "Dale jr Hicks" were the reason NASCAR got rid of it. Last I checked, many people here aren't jr fans and they sure as hell didn't like it.
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Kyle wouldn't of won that hadn't the last big one happened, pretty much the Hendrick guys had that race won....
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Im sorry, I was under the impression that most fans preffered pack racing because it was more exciting to watch than singal file push each other for 500 miles.pennst24 wrote:NASCAR's really pushing their luck. They claim to be the best in the world, lol they suck. I guess Brian France wants to wreck cars to satisfy the Dale Jr. hicks, but I don't want to hear the bitching when a driver leaves in a casket.
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conrail1990 wrote:Im sorry, I was under the impression that most fans preffered pack racing because it was more exciting to watch than singal file push each other for 500 miles.pennst24 wrote:NASCAR's really pushing their luck. They claim to be the best in the world, lol they suck. I guess Brian France wants to wreck cars to satisfy the Dale Jr. hicks, but I don't want to hear the bitching when a driver leaves in a casket.
I don't have a problem with pack racing. I prefer it. But these pay drivers can't handle it.
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Re: 2012 Budweiser Shootout
That race was one of the more interesting races on a superspeedway, you have 2 car tangoes with pack racing. There was a load of fail because of the drivers getting used to it. Kyle Busch saved a car, came back and outsmarted Stewart to win. Jeff Gordon's flip was just as weird as the Casey Mears flip at California back in 07 or 08.
Ambrose did turn him, but what if Joey Logano didn't attempt to come down? What if Ambrose let off? What if Martin Truex ran over Ambrose? No one's fault really, just racing deals happen like that with this kind of racing.
Mother of Invention wrote:Ambrose you idiot!
Ambrose did turn him, but what if Joey Logano didn't attempt to come down? What if Ambrose let off? What if Martin Truex ran over Ambrose? No one's fault really, just racing deals happen like that with this kind of racing.
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Cons: Half the field got taken out, Busch won, 2CT still decided the finish, Jeff's flip.
Pros: Pack racing's back, Jimmie crashed, lots of lead changes, great finish, Ambrose was up there, Jeff's OK.
Pros: Pack racing's back, Jimmie crashed, lots of lead changes, great finish, Ambrose was up there, Jeff's OK.
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pennst24 wrote:NASCAR's really pushing their luck. They claim to be the best in the world, lol they suck. I guess Brian France wants to wreck cars to satisfy the Dale Jr. hicks, but I don't want to hear the bitching when a driver leaves in a casket.
Not sure if trolling or stupid
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Nascarboy426 wrote:2CT still decided the finish
Wasn't by choice Vinny. Ambrose car had Aero issues from that last wreck. It would have been a four car fight to the finish otherwise.
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Cardinals5 wrote:pennst24 wrote:NASCAR's really pushing their luck. They claim to be the best in the world, lol they suck. I guess Brian France wants to wreck cars to satisfy the Dale Jr. hicks, but I don't want to hear the bitching when a driver leaves in a casket.
I am either a troll or stupid
There, I fixed it for you kind sir.
Sorry for being a concerned fan.
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pennst24 wrote:Cardinals5 wrote:pennst24 wrote:NASCAR's really pushing their luck. They claim to be the best in the world, lol they suck. I guess Brian France wants to wreck cars to satisfy the Dale Jr. hicks, but I don't want to hear the bitching when a driver leaves in a casket.
I am either a troll or stupid
There, I fixed it for you kind sir.
Sorry for being a concerned fan.
That's not being a concerned fan. It's being smug and ignorant. You blame one group of fans based on what? Because Jr fans comprise well over 50% of NASCAR's viewership, it's their fault? Somehow, you can pin precisely the frustrated statements of a worldwide viewing audience on a select core of fans? You're either a psychic or you're blaming the easiest target. You might as well be blaming Danica Patrick or Bernie Eccelstone.
You don't like the racing? Change the channel. I did that at (among other tracks) Talladega and Daytona last year. The tandem racing was NOT superspeedway racing in NASCAR; whether you like it or not, pack racing is the allure of these tracks. Without it, Daytona is nothing but a blown up version of Las Vegas, and we know how exciting those races are. A great finish does not make a good race, and aside from the Daytona 500 there was a lot left to be desired by the plate races last year.
EDIT: Also, referring to your post above: The "pay drivers" weren't the ones messing up tonight. Jeff Gordon, Greg Biffle, Martin Truex, Jimmie Johnson all messed up at various points in the race, among other drivers that I assuredly missed. In fact, I'm pretty sure the only pay driver in the field at all is Paul Menard, and he was as qualified as any other driver.
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Re: 2012 Budweiser Shootout
I guess Gordon lost his flipping virginity in NASCAR after all these years
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PYLrulz wrote:I guess Gordon lost his flipping virginity in NASCAR after all these years
I was going to ask if anyone else could recall him flipping in NASCAR...because no one I know has been able to mention any race where he did. Hard hits? Absolutely. Flips? Nope.
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Cardinals5 wrote:PYLrulz wrote:I guess Gordon lost his flipping virginity in NASCAR after all these years
I was going to ask if anyone else could recall him flipping in NASCAR...because no one I know has been able to mention any race where he did. Hard hits? Absolutely. Flips? Nope.
In NASCAR, the closest before tonight he ever flipped was the Coke 600 a few years back when he got some air on the front straight.
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PYLrulz wrote:Cardinals5 wrote:PYLrulz wrote:I guess Gordon lost his flipping virginity in NASCAR after all these years
I was going to ask if anyone else could recall him flipping in NASCAR...because no one I know has been able to mention any race where he did. Hard hits? Absolutely. Flips? Nope.
In NASCAR, the closest before tonight he ever flipped was the Coke 600 a few years back when he got some air on the front straight.
I thought of that one first and had to find the video on YouTube before I realized he hadn't flipped.
Still, to go almost 20 years without your car rolling once is remarkable
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That was some of the worst driving I have ever seen in the Sprint Cup series, except for Robby Gordon, who was guest driving in the 18 car-...
Hmm, he wasn't?
Ah. Sorry. My mistake, because I typically don't associate Kyle Busch with legitimately doing a good job when the cards are down. I was admittedly hoping he and Stewart would have wrecked each other (again) just to hear their inflated egos rage at each other some more.
Jeff Gordon proved that nobody will be killed in the COT, therefore proving that NASCAR is totally safe unless a car gets smashed through the windshield by another car.
Hmm, he wasn't?
Ah. Sorry. My mistake, because I typically don't associate Kyle Busch with legitimately doing a good job when the cards are down. I was admittedly hoping he and Stewart would have wrecked each other (again) just to hear their inflated egos rage at each other some more.
Jeff Gordon proved that nobody will be killed in the COT, therefore proving that NASCAR is totally safe unless a car gets smashed through the windshield by another car.
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Cynon wrote:That was some of the worst driving I have ever seen in the Sprint Cup series, except for Robby Gordon, who was guest driving in the 18 car-...
Hmm, he wasn't?
Ah. Sorry. My mistake, because I typically don't associate Kyle Busch with legitimately doing a good job when the cards are down. I was admittedly hoping he and Stewart would have wrecked each other (again) just to hear their inflated egos rage at each other some more.
Jeff Gordon proved that nobody will be killed in the COT, therefore proving that NASCAR is totally safe unless a car gets smashed through the windshield by another car.
Agreed, it wasn't the best, but I think we can all agree there's been far worse. Hopefully by the time the Duel Races come around they will learn NOT to lean on the left rear of the car in front of them. The Shootout is always a good barometer of what not to do in the 500.
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Looking through the names that raced this past season, and their past flips (and I'm sure I missed a few)
Tony Stewart has had a few flips at Daytona and Talladega
Carl Edwards had his epic with Brad Keselowski at Talladega a few years back
Brad Keselowski flipped it at Atlanta (with help from Carl)
A.J. Allmendinger flipped it at Talladega a couple years back
Clint Bowyer had his epic flip at Daytona years back when he crossed the finish line upside down
Dale Jr. flipped it in a Busch race years back at Daytona (and did it again in a Nationwide race a few years back)
Matt Kenesth flipped it at Talladega a few years back
Ryan Newman lost his wheel, and it helped him roll at Daytona years back
Kyle Busch rolled it at Talladega in a Nationwide race a few years back
Mark Martin had an epic flip at Sonoma YEARS back, and then did it at Talladega a few years ago
Joey Logano had his roll at Dover a few years back
Bobby Labonte had a roll at Talladega years back on the last lap
David Reutimann had his scare at Watkins Glen last year
Michael McDowell had his super scare at Texas in qualifying a few years back
Michael Waltrip rolled it at Talladega once, and Daytona twice
Casey Mears had that roll at California a few years back (the first flip for the COT), and a flip at Talladega in the Nationwide race
Ken Schrader flipped it at Sonoma years back (in the same race at the same spot, Steve Park rolled it too), and flipped at Talladega as well
Geoffrey Bodine had that epic scary truck crash at Daytona in 2000
Bill Elliott had a flip at Talladega years back
Scott Riggs had a flip at Talladega years back where he made it rain car parts on Jeff Burton
Joe Nemechek had a flip at Nashville a few years back where he wanted to actually race the car afterwords (and was not allowed)
Steve Park had a flip at Sonoma and Pocono
Scott Wimmer flipped it in the 500 for Bill Davis years back
Mike Skinner rolled it at Charlotte a few years back in a truck
Todd Bodine rolled it at Talladega years back in a Busch race
Dennis Setzer had a flip at Talladega a few years ago in a Nationwide race
Jimmie Johnson, Kevin Harvick, Denny Hamlin, Kurt Busch, Greg Biffle, Jeff Burton, and Jamie McMurray are the big names with a lot of years in NASCAR not to have flipped it yet
Also, Terry Labonte never flipped it in NASCAR (as far as I can find)
And Cynon... agreed. At this point, Gordon has proved it would take an act of god to get killed in the COT
Tony Stewart has had a few flips at Daytona and Talladega
Carl Edwards had his epic with Brad Keselowski at Talladega a few years back
Brad Keselowski flipped it at Atlanta (with help from Carl)
A.J. Allmendinger flipped it at Talladega a couple years back
Clint Bowyer had his epic flip at Daytona years back when he crossed the finish line upside down
Dale Jr. flipped it in a Busch race years back at Daytona (and did it again in a Nationwide race a few years back)
Matt Kenesth flipped it at Talladega a few years back
Ryan Newman lost his wheel, and it helped him roll at Daytona years back
Kyle Busch rolled it at Talladega in a Nationwide race a few years back
Mark Martin had an epic flip at Sonoma YEARS back, and then did it at Talladega a few years ago
Joey Logano had his roll at Dover a few years back
Bobby Labonte had a roll at Talladega years back on the last lap
David Reutimann had his scare at Watkins Glen last year
Michael McDowell had his super scare at Texas in qualifying a few years back
Michael Waltrip rolled it at Talladega once, and Daytona twice
Casey Mears had that roll at California a few years back (the first flip for the COT), and a flip at Talladega in the Nationwide race
Ken Schrader flipped it at Sonoma years back (in the same race at the same spot, Steve Park rolled it too), and flipped at Talladega as well
Geoffrey Bodine had that epic scary truck crash at Daytona in 2000
Bill Elliott had a flip at Talladega years back
Scott Riggs had a flip at Talladega years back where he made it rain car parts on Jeff Burton
Joe Nemechek had a flip at Nashville a few years back where he wanted to actually race the car afterwords (and was not allowed)
Steve Park had a flip at Sonoma and Pocono
Scott Wimmer flipped it in the 500 for Bill Davis years back
Mike Skinner rolled it at Charlotte a few years back in a truck
Todd Bodine rolled it at Talladega years back in a Busch race
Dennis Setzer had a flip at Talladega a few years ago in a Nationwide race
Jimmie Johnson, Kevin Harvick, Denny Hamlin, Kurt Busch, Greg Biffle, Jeff Burton, and Jamie McMurray are the big names with a lot of years in NASCAR not to have flipped it yet
Also, Terry Labonte never flipped it in NASCAR (as far as I can find)
And Cynon... agreed. At this point, Gordon has proved it would take an act of god to get killed in the COT
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Re: 2012 Budweiser Shootout
Having seen this race I have come to the conclusion that the 500 will be like porn to Boozooka.
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To be honest I can only imagine the Daytona 500 is going to be a crashfest. In fact I don't think that there will be many cars left running at the end of the 200-lap race.
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watching the highlights, or lowlights for gordon fans, makes me wonder if jeffie will be thanking rusty wallace in the morning for that rusty bar in the driver's window.
as for the race, it seems to be exactly what i expected. nobody can set up a pass without wrecking half the field in the process, and this is somehow "better" than the two car thing before. time to start digging through the old tapes to find all the driver quotes against pack racing
as for the race, it seems to be exactly what i expected. nobody can set up a pass without wrecking half the field in the process, and this is somehow "better" than the two car thing before. time to start digging through the old tapes to find all the driver quotes against pack racing
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Mystrsyko wrote:watching the highlights, or lowlights for gordon fans, makes me wonder if jeffie will be thanking rusty wallace in the morning for that rusty bar in the driver's window.
as for the race, it seems to be exactly what i expected. nobody can set up a pass without wrecking half the field in the process, and this is somehow "better" than the two car thing before. time to start digging through the old tapes to find all the driver quotes against pack racing
Agreed. While yeah, sometimes the tandem racing stunk, at least passes could be made without wrecking half the damn field.
Anybody want to put out an over/under on how many cars will be on the lead lap at the finish?!?
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Cardinals5 wrote:pennst24 wrote:Cardinals5 wrote:pennst24 wrote:NASCAR's really pushing their luck. They claim to be the best in the world, lol they suck. I guess Brian France wants to wreck cars to satisfy the Dale Jr. hicks, but I don't want to hear the bitching when a driver leaves in a casket.
I am either a troll or stupid
There, I fixed it for you kind sir.
Sorry for being a concerned fan.
That's not being a concerned fan. It's being smug and ignorant. You blame one group of fans based on what? Because Jr fans comprise well over 50% of NASCAR's viewership, it's their fault? Somehow, you can pin precisely the frustrated statements of a worldwide viewing audience on a select core of fans? You're either a psychic or you're blaming the easiest target. You might as well be blaming Danica Patrick or Bernie Eccelstone.
You don't like the racing? Change the channel. I did that at (among other tracks) Talladega and Daytona last year. The tandem racing was NOT superspeedway racing in NASCAR; whether you like it or not, pack racing is the allure of these tracks. Without it, Daytona is nothing but a blown up version of Las Vegas, and we know how exciting those races are. A great finish does not make a good race, and aside from the Daytona 500 there was a lot left to be desired by the plate races last year.
EDIT: Also, referring to your post above: The "pay drivers" weren't the ones messing up tonight. Jeff Gordon, Greg Biffle, Martin Truex, Jimmie Johnson all messed up at various points in the race, among other drivers that I assuredly missed. In fact, I'm pretty sure the only pay driver in the field at all is Paul Menard, and he was as qualified as any other driver.
Sure, I was a little off base with the comments, it's in the heat of the moment. Although you can't ignore the fact that Jr. bitched really hard after the July race last year.
I think that a lot of the guys in the field really drove out of their depth. Hell, it was Gordon's fault he flipped 100%. I guess it was a product of no points, Saturday night plate racing. I doubt the 500 will be like that.
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The only sure way to get hurt in the COT would be a car hitting the roof or underside of another car, those are the weak points IMO, look at BK's wreck with Edwards in Atlanta 2010(or 09?)
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Don't believe Dale Jr. has flipped in Cup. I know he went over in the Busch races in '98 and 2010.
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Nascarboy426 wrote:Don't believe Dale Jr. has flipped either save that one time in Busch competition.
O rly?
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pennst24 wrote:Nascarboy426 wrote:Don't believe Dale Jr. has flipped either save that one time in Busch competition.
O rly?
I actually remembered that wreck before you posted that
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Re: 2012 Budweiser Shootout
yeah, the car's roof is way too weak imo. Ryan newman had the roll bars pressed against his head when he blew over at talladega, and Keselowski had both sides of the roof pushed down to the doors. Honestly, i think the only thing that saved him was the earnhardt bar running down the middleParaLanche wrote:The only sure way to get hurt in the COT would be a car hitting the roof or underside of another car, those are the weak points IMO, look at BK's wreck with Edwards in Atlanta 2010(or 09?)
as far as i'm concerned, the cockpit section of the car should never be compromised under any circumstances. the whole rest of the car should be long gone before the drivers compartment fails.
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